Conservatism, lets define it.

[Wolfie]

Pro Life and Pro Traditional Marriage.

How many here are pro Gay?

[The_Shadow]

Wolfie, that question could be seen several different ways.  It has several aspects that people may want to hold personal.
Some may not want to divulge the an answer because doing so could bring about negativity in their personal lives or even their workplace.

Then there are the sexist issues this and that!

Somethings are better left to be a personal opinion, than dragged throughout this traditional gun forum! 

[Wolfie]

When I first joined I prefered NOT to talk about non gun issues and I was overruled.

People are questioning my commitment to the Second Amendment.

That means they are questioning my Conservative bona fides, I want to know what I am dealing with. If someone claims to be a Conservative, I want them to prove it and verify that they themselves are Conservatives.

If you are pro Gay or Abortion you are NOT a Conservative no matter how much you love guns.

[Rich10]

People are questioning my commitment to the Second Amendment.

Saying things such as the following, whether or not ignorant of facts, is contrary to the 2A.

"I have no problem with gun control that was under Clinton, whats wrong with background checks?"

"But lets face reality, if you cannot take out your target with SEVEN rounds of 10mm, you should NOT be carrying a gun."

If you are pro Gay or Abortion you are NOT a Conservative no matter how much you love guns.

I'm sure many here have Libertarian leanings, or are tea-party like, who are real independants  (not some wishy-washy intellectualist lite liberals who want to look bipartisan and open minded but will vote hardcore pinko lib first chance) and actually are really pro 2A, not some government regulted version. 

Again, if you are allowing yourself to be labeled and put in a box you are giving up power.

[P33v3]

If you are pro Gay or Abortion you are NOT a Conservative no matter how much you love guns.

I disagree. I'm pro-life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I am also Conservative however I also realize that the subject  of being Pro Gay is well above my pay grade and is at the discretion of my maker. My responsibility is to be kind and love my fellow man regardless of their beliefs.

[Patriot]

As I said in the other thread, the most important issue to me is gun rights and the safety of myself and my family. I see the social changes that are happening in America. We've become more liberal over the years, and it's never going back. Abortion is here to stay. Gays are going to get married. Obamacare was ruled a tax and allowed by the supreme court. Social issues, taxes, wars, the economy are always going to be hot subjects, but are really no different under any president. A few changes here and there but my daily life hasn't changed much with whoever was holding office.

It's not even about conservatives or liberalism any longer. I see what's going on in the world. I see the home invasion robberies on the news. I see the mall shootings. I see the random acts of violence, knockout games, burglaries, rapes, kidnapped children, illegal aliens running around. And the threat of homegrown Islamic terror.

Republicans stand up for my gun rights to protect myself and my family. They at least give me a fighting chance. I have no duty to retreat and run out my back door when someone breaks in or attacks me. Democrats attempt to limit gun rights at every opportunity. A few have said they would ban ALL GUNS if they thought they could.

The choice is easy. I wouldn't vote for a democrat even if they adopted a completely conservative platform but still wanted gun control. They could want to ban abortion, lower taxes, ban gay marriage, fix the deficit, kick the freeloaders off welfare, everything. If they support gun control they won't get my vote. PERIOD.

[Wolfie]

Whats wrong with background checks?

And I stand by my comment, if you cannot take care of business with 7 rounds you should not be carrying.

[Patriot]

Whats wrong with background checks?

And I stand by my comment, if you cannot take care of business with 7 rounds you should not be carrying.

Background checks are worthless. Someone that wants a gun will get a gun. Recent mass shooters passed background checks or stole from someone that did. Anyone can snap one day after passing a background check. Anyone bent on committing a crime with a gun isn't going to follow the laws anyway. You know who gets background checks? The law abiding citizen, because we follow the law anyway.

And there are plenty of reasons to need more than 7 rounds. Multiple attackers, missed shots, suspect on drugs, etc.

[The_Shadow]

This could help explain what were are seeing...

[Wolfie]

I guess you guys have no problem with felons carrying guns.

We will have to disagree on that.

[Rich10]

I guess you guys have no problem with felons carrying guns.

We will have to disagree on that.

Non-violent felons, sure. 

And, as mentioned by others, gun control under Clinton was more than bgc.  Either you are unaware or omit that portion for some reason.

[Wolfie]

I can live with non violent felons getting guns after they finished their terms, I also think they should be able to vote.

I never voted for Clinton, why would I defend him?

[Charlie_Zulu]

And I stand by my comment, if you cannot take care of business with 7 rounds you should not be carrying.

So full of fail.

Tell that to Officer Soulis...  http://www.lawofficer.com/articles/print/volume-4/issue-12/below-100/officer-down-peter-soulis-inci.html

"Remarkably, Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis' .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass. Despite the fact that the weapon had been loaded with Ranger SXTs considered by many to be one of the best man-stoppers available Palmer lived for more than four minutes after the last shot was fired."

[sqlbullet]

Not sure what you mean by pro-gay.

I don't believe the government should have any say in who sleeps with whom.  Nor do I think they should have a say in what contracts consenting adults sign.  Marriage is a contract. If Johnny and Teddy wanna sign one, I don't care.  And I don't care what they do in private with their elbows, ankles or any other part of their anatomy.

You are right, I have no problem with felon's carrying guns.  Either they are reformed, in which case they will not do anything intentionally untoward with said gun. Or the are not reformed, in which case they will ignore the restriction on possession of a firearm.  The law criminalizes a behavior without a victim.  This creates a drain on resources that are meant to provide assistance to people who are being victimized.

What delegation of power allows you or the government to determine how much ammunition I need?

[Wolfie]

The Officer was working in performance of his duties and should carry as many rounds as he needs.

I am talking civilians.

I carried 46 while on duty and a box of 50 in the car with a loaded long gun.

Off duty one gun one mag and when I saw something I made a call and took notes.

But CZ is looking to engage 24-7. Cops in Texas are the best in the world.