Conservatism, lets define it.

[Wolfie]

Seems that there is a lot of confusion with liberal Republicans posting on topics. I think we need to ID who are the real conservatives and who the liberals are. The best way is to do that is to post what your conservative beliefs are.

I will go first.

1. Pro gun

2. Pro family values

3. Pro strong military/police

4. Strong foreign policy

[Rich10]

Wolfie,

You can try to define conservatism, but it is of no use.  I will not allow myself to be labeled and thus pigeon-holed into holding some set of ideals characteristic of the term.  The same goes for Upper, Middle, Lower class.  Terms are tools used to subjugate.

Those stances that you have listed may be conservative ideals but not believing in one or the other doesn't matter. 

How about Liberalism?  Liberalism is a mental disorder.  Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded. Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.

A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity — as liberals do. A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population — as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation's citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state — as liberals do.

The roots of liberalism — and its associated madness — can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind. When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.

Courtesy of 'Moonbattery'

[radiotom]

3 and 4 are not conservatism, they are neoconservatism. 3 and 4 are not small government, they require a big government.

[Patriot]

Seems that there is a lot of confusion with liberal Republicans posting on topics. I think we need to ID who are the real conservatives and who the liberals are. The best way is to do that is to post what your conservative beliefs are.

I will go first.

1. Pro gun

2. Pro family values

3. Pro strong military/police

4. Strong foreign policy

Everything you listed as your beliefs is the exact opposite of the democratic platform. If you truly believe those things, you're voting for the wrong party for the wrong reasons.

[sqlbullet]

The political right does not currently want, and to the best of my recollection has never claimed to want, small government.  They want limited government, which is not the same thing.

And the idea that modern liberalism is a mental disorder is similarly problematic.  In fact, most traditional liberals I know are quite successful and stable economically.  They do not qualify for most, if not all, of the programs and subsidies they think the government should be in charge of providing.  They do feel that there is a human burden to care for those less fortunate and feel the best way to accomplish that is via a government program.

Personally I espouse the belief that the government exercises delegated power from the people to ensure equal access to the rights of life, liberty and property.  This boils down to a couple of simple questions about proposed legislation.

First, in what way does the proposed power or action guarantee equal access for all citizens to the rights of life, liberty and property.  To cite an example, the PPACA or "Obamacare" seeks to guarantee all citizens normalized access health care, a right of life.

Second, in the absence of a government would I have the right to commit this course of action as an independent being.  The PPACA fails here.  As an individual I do not have the right to deprive my fellow humans of their property by force or threat of force to pay for my health care or the health care of a third party.

These then constitute the scrutiny that I believe all legislation should fall under.  And I am almost always disappointed.

[Rich10]

And the idea that modern liberalism is a mental disorder is similarly problematic.  In fact, most traditional liberals I know are quite successful and stable economically.  They do not qualify for most, if not all, of the programs and subsidies they think the government should be in charge of providing.  They do feel that there is a human burden to care for those less fortunate and feel the best way to accomplish that is via a government program.

Many of the liberals I know are the same.  However, the attributes that you list, and having a mental disorder, such as Liberalism, are not mutually exclusive. 

[Wolfie]

Patriot when was the last time the GOP delivered any of it?

You need to go back to Ike.

[Wolfie]

Rich, I got bad news for you, since the birth of this country liberals whether they be Republicans or Democrats have been winning every issue they have proposed. In fact, I cannot find any conservative ideas that have ever made it into law.

So if liberalism is a disease, what do you have to stop it?

Electing Establishment "Liberal" Republicans?

[Wolfie]

Spot on SQ.

I was big time GOP until 2006, then I realized they were just as big spenders as Democrats, but they spend on the rich.

Thus, if my money is going to be wasted, I rather give it to the poor than the rich.

[The_Shadow]

I hate POLITICS!  They don't call it that for nothing!  Poly meaning "many"  and tics meaning "blood suckers"!

I don't even like reading through these political post, whether I agree, mutually agree or disagree, that is our individual right. However it only leads to dissension, bickering and eventually to infighting among the membership here...I have left forums  or parts of forums because I got tired of pointing of fingers, name calling and out right personal attacks that have resulted.

For the most part it has been civil, until it becomes more personal and turns from a debate into that attack on ones' person.

There is so much in the government especially in this current administration that has been a lie, covered up by the media and spewed out to brainwash the slaves that we are being conditioned for by our nation going under.  The economic collapse is sure to bring American as we know it to her knees and then flat on her ass!  The people will be the ones who will suffer even more so that they are at the present.

[cwall64]

I am with Shadow, love to read about the load pull-downs, folks favorite loads, etc.  As far as I am concerned all politicians are lairs, cheats and thieves - only out for themselves - all about lining their own pockets...

[Geeman]

Not my words, but it's my definition.

Article the twelfth... The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


Greg

[my_old_glock]

Liberalism and Conservatism are both mental illness.

1) If two people, or groups of people, do not agree on something, and one of the persons or groups is mentally ill, it doesn't automatically mean that the other person or group that disagrees with the mentally ill person is rational or sane. If the man who believes in men from mars has a mental illness, is the man who doesn't believe in martians, but believes that reptilians are trying to take over the world not mentally ill?

2) Both sides seek complete control over everything and everyone, and hate those that are independent.

3) Both sides need each other. One cannot exist without the other to blame for anything bad that happens.


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[gandog56]

Pro family values can mean a lot different things between different groups.

You would have to define it better for me to consider it.

[Rich10]

Pro family values can mean a lot different things between different groups.

You would have to define it better for me to consider it.

It's the same as a teacher asking if you're pro/for education.