Need Recommendation For Self Defense Round...

[climb14er]

Ok, the last thread I posted for back country ammo led me to try various Underwood and Double Tap FMJ and Hard Cast rounds. I've settled on the 200gr DT Hard Cast.

I tried the Underwood 165gr and 155gr Bonded GD JHP's and I liked them both a lot. The 165's I liked the best and so did my Glock 20SF especially in stock barrel and recoil spring.  The 22# Wolf non captive spring with guide rod was OK. But I did have a few FTF's. That was a surprise for me especially with a Glock.

The 165's and 155's are out of stock at Underwood. In the meantime I'd like to pick up some 180 XTP's and possibly some GD 180's. Don't want to go heavier in JHP's.

What would your Underwood recommendations for self defense JHP's be?

If Underwood has 'em in stock, I'll pick up some boxes.  If you prefer I wait for the 165 GD's, or another round type, I will.

Reliability is of course paramount.

Feel free to let me know your thoughts.

[The_Shadow]

I find it funny you don't want to utilize the 200 Grain XTP or Nosler bullets, where you want the 200 grain FMJ or Cast bullets.  I load my own cartridges and tailor them to what I need or want from them for the occasion.

The 200 grain XTP was design for the 10mm whereas the 180s catered more towards the 40S&W.

I will say that most any of the 10mm loadings would be good to go...I use many of my own cast bullets for a variety of things that I consider have just as good a chance to stop threats or put down game animals with humane stops.

Good luck with your decisions!

[rw]

I carry 200 grain noslers from double tap in mine, it likes them just fine. Mostly stock gen 3 20.

[Intercooler]

   Have you looked at any of the YouTube gel videos on the master sheet? Cabela's has had their Hornady 175's in there everytime I went. Nothing wrong with them for self defense.

[climb14er]

Shadow,

I was thinking more about expansion in the 180gr and lighter rather than full on penetration. The Hard Cast is for deep penetration in back country.

I've read every thread on the self defense loads here on the forum and many elsewhere.

I value the opinions here on the forum. I'm not locked into any weight or bullet mfg'er.

It was the expansion vs penetration aspect that led me to post the 180gr maximum.

I appreciate all the info here. You folks know the 10mm.

[climb14er]

   Have you looked at any of the YouTube gel videos on the master sheet? Cabela's has had their Hornady 175's in there everytime I went. Nothing wrong with them for self defense.

Yes... I've watched a ton of 10mm videos. I currently have The Hornady Critical 165gr FTX that was given to me in the pistol at the moment. I'm going past the local Cabelas. I'll give them a call.

[Intercooler]

   You can't go wrong with an all copper as well. If Doubletap has the 125 Barnes, 155 Barnes or Buffalo Bore 155... great rounds!

[Dave84]

I usually carry Underwood 155 grain Gold dots. That being said The 155 gr XTP would also be great. 165 grain Gold dots and 180 gr are all nice as well. Leaving the name behind I would say that Intercoolers test of Doubletap's new loads shows them to be excellent too. Federals 180 gr JSP offers a full power load that isn't a nuke. Went 16.8" in gel I believe.

[Taterhead]

In town, I don't think a full house 10mm load is optimal. I carry the 175 Win STHP. That is about 1160 fps in my G20, which is modest by 10mm standards. It is admittedly a bit of an older style bullet, but I am confident it would do the job based upon my personal unscientific testing.

I would prefer the 165 GDHP if I could find a could find a commercial load about 1300-1325 fps. My handloads of that bullet and speed have shown IMPRESSIVE results in water and wet pack. Plus function in my G20 is flawless. Firm recoil, but not excessive. I don't want to get into it here, but I prefer to carry commercial ammo for SD. So for the past few years, the Win STHPs have been in my social carry mags.

I carry a hand loaded Beartooth WFNGC 200 gr hardcast loaded to 1200+ fps.

[zeke4351]

After watching all the videos I can find of 10mm being tested and shot through different material I have made the 180 grain JHP Gold Dot loaded by Underwood. The 135, 155, and 165 grain would be fine but just not my first choice.

[climb14er]

What are the thoughts about carrying for SD, Underwood's slightly reduced power Delta Elite 180gr JHP?

I've been looking all over for reviews of this in a Glock 20 but haven't seen more than a few comments.

Anyone tried 'em in a G20?

Appears that it would be similar to the Silvertip or Hornady in power or a little bit faster.

[Centimeter]

In town, I don't think a full house 10mm load is optimal.

Could you possibly explain your reasoning for this? That might better help assess what type of load you should be looking for and which you shouldn't be considering, if that's your criteria. What do you consider "full house" and what do you consider "partially empty house?"

[4949shooter]

   Have you looked at any of the YouTube gel videos on the master sheet? Cabela's has had their Hornady 175's in there everytime I went. Nothing wrong with them for self defense.

Yes... I've watched a ton of 10mm videos. I currently have The Hornady Critical 165gr FTX that was given to me in the pistol at the moment. I'm going past the local Cabelas. I'll give them a call.

I like the `175 grain Critical Duty more than the 165 grain Critical Defense.

Underwood 165 grain Gold dots would be my first choice.

[Dave84]

What are the thoughts about carrying for SD, Underwood's slightly reduced power Delta Elite 180gr JHP?

I've been looking all over for reviews of this in a Glock 20 but haven't seen more than a few comments.

Anyone tried 'em in a G20?

Appears that it would be similar to the Silvertip or Hornady in power or a little bit faster.

I would say it would be quite a bit hotter than those two loads. One downside i'll mention is that it uses Noslers in stead of Gold Dots. The only reason I'd give it gold dots is if I was shooting 200 grain. It would be a good load all the same just a little shabby that its not offered with a premium projectile.

[Dave84]

http://www.underwoodammo.com/10mm-auto-180-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point/
He has the standard velocity Gold Dots in stock. A great load for sure.