Federal judge rules Obama executive amnesty unlawful

[Wolfie]

My talking points will be delivering for the voters.

The only show I watch on MSNBC is O Donnell late at night, he is into strategy. I watch FOX and CNN, I like Shepard Smith.

Lets review my views on the issues going on today.

I am for mass deportation and the funding to do it. Short of that I side with Obama.

I am for a raise in the minimum wage.

I am for national reciprocity for gun licenses if it includes background checks.

I am for Congress authorizing force to go after ISIL.

As for the Communist Manifesto, all I know is that the GOP opened up that line of credit with the ChiComs and that the ChiComs got the oil contracts after we wasted $4 trillion and buried 4500 troopers.

So you tell me which party is more commie based on performance.

[P33v3]

Socialists like Bush P33v3?

Hillary is going to crush her opponent. When less than 40% vote like in 2010 and 2014 Republicans win. When over 60% vote in presidentials like 2008 and 2012 Democrats win.

You have to hope people do not come out to vote to win, I will bet Hillary will get over 60% to vote.

As for Benghazi what would you have done? Risk American lives for those already KIA?

No, Socialists like the Clintons and Obama.

Hilly's support is already wavering. She, Billy and miserable old Harry Reid can all go take Nancy Pelosi, the criminal Eric Holder and go have a Coke and a smile with Dianne Feinstein. Hilly can try an distance herself from Obama but she was one of his cronies and a serious failure of intelligence happened on her watch. She knew about  it and could have prevented it had it not unconvinced her too much.

As for voting, I hope 60% DO show up. In fact I hope 100% show up including the more moderates who are footing the bill for Obama's social programs like Obamacare that they are footing the bill for leading to the Welfare state that Socialist like Obama and Hill-a-beans Clinton love.

As for Benghazi, it looks like she knew about it. As for what to do the only way to deal with people who make war on you is to bring war to your enemy such as they have never seen and will remember for generations.

Hilly is a Socialist. Her mentor Saul Alinsky was a (as he called himself) radical who strongly believed. He felt that it was the best way to improve the disparity between the "haves," as he called the middle class and wealthy, and the "have-nots," referring to the poor. So if YOU want to give more of your hard earned money away, feel free. I do not. Don't even get me started on Obama.

Look this is a discussion board for 10mm firearms not socialist politician like Hilly and Obummy. I for one am moving on to another topic.

But back to the ORIGINAL topic of this post:

I am VERY happy that our CIC got slapped down by the courts for overstepping his authority. It should have happened a long time ago.

[Geeman]

For me:

I am for legal immigration.  Its like so many other things that congress won't handle for fear they will be tossed from office.  To me, Immigration/assimilation is a strength of the country, and it would make all the sense in the world to allow immigration on our terms.  How about 10 years after they are allowed in, understand basic English, no arrest record, and then you are a fellow countryman.  Truth be told, a lot of those coming in are better Americans than some that were born here.  Problem is that they NEED a legal path in, and in reality it just isn't available.

I am NOT for raising the minimum wage.  How much is a school kid worth on his/her first job?  How much is a handicapped person worth when his/her productivity will never match an average level?  I'm all for getting folks employed and feeling the pride of a job well done, and right now there are way too many not getting work.  I also believe that if you double the minimum wage, you double inflation within a fairly short period.  Then your parent's savings are worth half and you will have to fill in the difference.  Bottom line is government should butt out!!!

I am for a God given right to keep and bear arms, as described in the Constitution.  Government should butt the hell out of that too!!!

I am for the Congress declaring war when necessary.  If the Congress does so, the President should hit the enemy with the biggest hammer possible.  Minimize our losses, don't worry about the rest, get 'er done and come home.  If congress won't do that, butt out of that too.

In addition to that...  I'm for personal responsibility.  Let people reap the rewards of good decisions, and let them suffer the consequence of their bad decisions.  If you bail out bad decisions, they will just make more bad decisions.  I don't understand why I should pay for others not working, screwing up and even doing criminal stuff.

In addition, if I live my life in a way which I desire, and if in doing so, I don't harm another, nor his property, I should be left alone.  There is a book that says that on average, a law abiding man/woman commits three felonies every day when trying to live with honor.  That's just plain wrong.

I remember living in the plains of Eastern Colorado in the 1980s.  The folks were hard working, law abiding, and while they were not highly educated, they were smart.  As for voting, they wanted to know two things.  If the person seeking office was an incumbent, that was a reason to vote against them (the longer you leave 'em in there, the more crooked they get) and if they were a lawyer (bad from the start).  I've never forgot that.

As to politics, the blue dog dems are an endangered species.  The majority of the party has shifted to socialist.  I won't vote for a socialist as it runs contrary to my beliefs.  I'm not saying I cannot respect them, just they will never get my vote.  I respect those that vote their beliefs.  Way too much in DC politics is voting the way the party tell you to.  The republican party is at least under some fracturing of that. 

The Dems just go in lock step like good little commies and we get health care take over as a result.  The hammering is now "climate control" so they can control energy.  They are already controlling education.  They are already controlling the people by making them dependent.  Writing is on the wall.  The guns will be on the list too.  Its not looking good for the country I want, and the Republicans aren't helping at all. 

I'm libertarian.  If Government doesn't need to be in it, it shouldn't be.  If it needs to be involved, State and local governments are closer to the people and can be held to account far easier.  We the people are above the Government, even though they don't act that way!

Greg

[Wolfie]

P33 how is Obama smacked down?

The House funds for the deportation of 400,000 and there are 10 million illegals. If the GOP does not fund for the deportation of 10 million amnesty is owned by them.

There are several cops on this forum. There are 5 cops working a precinct. There are 20 calls, 5 felonies, 5 misdemeanors and 10 quality of life calls. Who do you dispatch the cops to?

Thats all Obama is doing, prioritizing and identifying, the right thing to do.

Now the GOP can truly smack him down by passing a law to deport the 10 million illegals, what are they waiting for?

One point on your socialism claim, the facts are clear, the GOP under Bush were bigger socialists than Obama and Clinton combined.

[Wolfie]

Geeman, I am not 100% sold on Global Warming but what is wrong with keeping the planet clean.

I have a second home in upstate NY near a coal plant, those counties had higher asthma rates than NYC! They closed the plant and now the air is clean and the rates are dropping below NYC. They are also converting the plant to natural gas.

Ever see pictures of NYC and LA before the Clean Air Act?

Also Democrats are not commies, most are liberal that care about helping people. Both parties spend, the Democrats "Tax & Spend" while Republicans "Borrow & Spend." I prefer the D way its cheaper. I rather give to the poor than tax cuts for the rich.

What say you?

[Geeman]

The latest push on coal fired plant is on mercury reduction, but that was just because it would be impossible to comply.  In other words they were doing it to put coal, and the thousands that rely on it out of business.  I'm all for nat gas.  Its an excellent form of energy for the country.  I'm not against coal though.  Its as clean as it has ever been.

The Skunk Works has come out and claimed that fusion energy is about a decade from reality and a reactor would be the size of a large truck.  If that is so, or even it its close to correct, the world's clean energy is solved.  The market place will take care of that.  Also, it would be a reason to not piss billions into a rat hole in the form of wind/solar renewable government funds.  I don't think that should have been done in the first place.

I'm not of either of the parties you describe.  I'm for MUCH LESS spending by the government sector.  Look at the tasks the Federal government is allowed in the Constitution.  That can't be that expensive, with the exception of defense.  The rest is for the States and the people.

Handouts to those that won't work should stop.  It makes them dependent and steals their spirit.  If they don't want to work, that has a consequence, and that consequence is poverty.  For those that cannot work, that is charity.

Greg

[Wolfie]

I have no problem with those taking aid to show up at their local government to work.

[gandog56]

The latest push on coal fired plant is on mercury reduction, but that was just because it would be impossible to comply.  In other words they were doing it to put coal, and the thousands that rely on it out of business.  I'm all for nat gas.  Its an excellent form of energy for the country.  I'm not against coal though.  Its as clean as it has ever been.

The Skunk Works has come out and claimed that fusion energy is about a decade from reality and a reactor would be the size of a large truck.  If that is so, or even it its close to correct, the world's clean energy is solved.  The market place will take care of that.  Also, it would be a reason to not piss billions into a rat hole in the form of wind/solar renewable government funds.  I don't think that should have been done in the first place.

I'm not of either of the parties you describe.  I'm for MUCH LESS spending by the government sector.  Look at the tasks the Federal government is allowed in the Constitution.  That can't be that expensive, with the exception of defense.  The rest is for the States and the people.

Handouts to those that won't work should stop.  It makes them dependent and steals their spirit.  If they don't want to work, that has a consequence, and that consequence is poverty.  For those that cannot work, that is charity.

Greg

Yeah, remember when there was the big hubbub about cold fusion? Was the hottest thing going until nobody could duplicate the results. I'll believe fusion when it actually comes around, hopefully in my lifetime.

[sqlbullet]

I remember the cold fusion fiasco well.  I was I. freshmen physics taught by Dr. Stephen Jones.  he was leading the cold fusion research at BYU at the time and worked closely with the two at the U of Utah. 

needless to say a guest prof taught the rest of the semester as Dr Jones was at Los Alamos trying to replicate results.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Forum Fiend v1.2.5.

[gandog56]

Come on, don't you know Obama is the "Chosen annointed one"?

[Geeman]

Yeah, remember when there was the big hubbub about cold fusion? Was the hottest thing going until nobody could duplicate the results. I'll believe fusion when it actually comes around, hopefully in my lifetime.

NOT!!! Cold fusion.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

Greg

[gandog56]

I have a Fusion Firearms longslide 10mm! 

[Patriot]

There are several cops on this forum. There are 5 cops working a precinct. There are 20 calls, 5 felonies, 5 misdemeanors and 10 quality of life calls. Who do you dispatch the cops to?

Thats all Obama is doing, prioritizing and identifying, the right thing to do.

Come on. Obama is doing more than that. If he was merely using "prosecutorial discretion" as he said, then the judge wouldn't have issued this ruling the way he did. The judge even wrote that Obama is saying one thing and doing another.

He isn't using his discretion to prosecute if he has changed the law to issue work permits to illegals. That has nothing to do with prosecution. He isn't using his discretion to prosecute if he is moving funds around to implement this action, renting an entire office building and hiring thousands of new government employees to handle the applications and issue permits. Congress handles budget issues, not the president.

The judge saw that and called him on it. Prosecutorial discretion is one thing. Using executive action to CHANGE a law passed by congress is something completely different. It's illegal. Unlawful. And an overreach of power.

[Wolfie]

Patriot you could be right but the judge blew it.

He should of stopped the parts that were illegal, this way all the focus would have been on the one issue and not the whole law.