BATFE To Ban Common AR-15 Ammo

[redbaron007]

Wouldn't be surprised......although, why now? 

[Wolfie]

Tit for tat and its stupid.

[redbaron007]

Tit for tat and its stupid.

Yep......but it's politics...not an excuse....it'll still happen in the centuries to come.   

[Pinsnscrews]

It is actually rather stupid of the BATFE aince the premise of the ban is the use of the ammo in Pistols. Why is this stupid? It is already Illegal to use armor piercing ammo in Pistols. So why do they need ti ban an ammo on the premise it will already be used in an illegal manner? Why not just simply put a Surgeon Generalesque warning on boxes stating it is illegal to use this and all armor piercing ammo in Pistols?

[Rich10]

The ban is on hold.

[gandog56]

I heard the ban is no more.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/atf-kills-ar-15-ammo-ban/

[Pinsnscrews]

it is on hold, they got caught trying to push the time table before the respondent deadline

NOTICE TO THOSE COMMENTING ON THE ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION EXEMPTION FRAMEWORK

Thank you for your interest in ATF's proposed framework for determining whether certain projectiles are "primarily intended for sporting purposes" within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C). The informal comment period will close on Monday, March 16, 2015. ATF has already received more than 80,000 comments, which will be made publicly available as soon as practicable.

Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study. Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework. After the close of the comment period, ATF will process the comments received, further evaluate the issues raised therein, and provide additional open and transparent process (for example, through additional proposals and opportunities for comment) before proceeding with any framework.

[rw]

congress got involved, and one is pushing for disbanding atf using this as an example of how they costantly abuse thier authority

[ninja]

congress got involved, and one is pushing for disbanding atf using this as an example of how they costantly abuse thier authority

I heard the FBI would step in to take over... Can't think that would work out too good for us.   
the National firearms Act of 1934 that started the disarming of citizens, was enacted only months after the alcohol Prohibition was repealed.  J. Edger Hoover must have been drinking too much after all those citizens he had killed

[Rich10]

Worse yet-

http://bearingarms.com/atf-chief-suggests-5-56-ammo-threat-law-enforcement/

[sqlbullet]

The real question here is what is a "pistol" round and what is a "rifle" round.

What is causing the consternation here is the lack of sense the '34 NFA  and 68 GCA make.  In order to get around the short barreled rifle restrictions in the 34 NFA, people are building "Pistols" by leaving the butt stock off a rifle.

At present there are no federal classifications of ammunition as either pistol or rifle, but there are restrictions and rules attached to the missing classifications.  This leads to a schrodinger-esque situation where ammunition has to manufactured according to guidelines that don't become fixed until it is fired in either a rifle or a handgun.

The result is M855 is clearly legal when used in an AR-15 stye rifle, as the round is rifle ammunition.  But what about when the AR is build up with a 12" barrel and a pistol buffer assembly?  Does that then re-classify the ammunition as pistol ammo?  This smacks of the sig brace issue....Ammo is illegal based on how you shoot it.

This core oversight needs to be addressed.  The best course of action would be to just abolish the law outright, as any other mechanism I head down ends up in some convoluted craziness.

The reality that is being revealed here is that all the laws are utter nonsense.  And the sig brace ruling makes it most clear.

Having things should not be illegal.  Doing things should be illegal if it results in death or injury or presents an imminent and unmanaged probability of death or injury.

[The_Shadow]

Kind of like having a NUKE!  You have it, but they promise not to use it! or not use it on this place or that place! 

The U.S. has NUKEs, but they don't like it when others have them...

[Pinsnscrews]

(as posted above, below quote taken from this link http://bearingarms.com/atf-chief-suggests-5-56-ammo-threat-law-enforcement/)

The proper answer to the ATF's gross overreach is to completely do away with the "sporting purposes" test in the Gun Control Act of 1968, and used on a whim by the ATF in other decisions since. It is an absurd position that firearms and ammunition must have a "sporting purpose" for hunters or target shooters to be lawful.

Sadly, many feel that the .223/5.56 is a poor Deer hunting round, and therefore it is a poor hunting round. What those individuals fail to see is that there are more animals out there to hunt than just Deer. They do not realize that the .223/5.56 is one of the most popular Varmint rounds out there, and that yes, having a 30 round magazine on a semi auto platform makes it vastly easier to clear a cow pasture of prairie dogs than a bolt action. Especially when you are alone. They are not aware that a P-Dog family can number in triple digits for one Cow pasture and in those numbers are an extreme danger to the cattle that supplies the cheeseburgers they keep feeding their cats...

[sqlbullet]

Clearly you don't get it.  It isn't about facts...it is about how we feel.

[my_old_glock]

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Heroin, Cocaine, Marijuana, and a few other drugs use to be legal. When it was, there wasn't any major crime problems associated with those drugs. When alcohol was made illegal during prohibition, crime surrounding alcohol increased. It seems that problems only arise when things are made illegal.




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