Underwood 200gr 10mm Hard Cast

The_Shadow · February 24 2015 06:30:19 PM MST

Interesting that they are running slower? ${$default_huh_smiley}$

Centimeter · February 25 2015 05:56:07 PM MST

Yeah that's quite a bit off the flap for Underwood... might understand the difference if we were talking about the 220gr and the different powder (simply because of the lack of case volume) but with the smaller projectile it seems there'd be enough room to make up the difference... Unless everything is being down-loaded for the time being?? Anyone heard anything from Kevin about the powder change or velocity ratings in question?

macc283 · March 01 2015 08:43:05 AM MST

Load the ammo we really want underwood this isn't it.

Intercooler · March 01 2015 09:20:53 AM MST

You want Beartooth? The order quantity is huge and from the sounds of it Doubletap has the rights to those.

4949shooter · March 01 2015 12:55:06 PM MST

Underwood has been doing everything right. If they don't have access to Beartooth so be it.

They will do their best with what they have.

And I was skeptical of them in their early days. Right? Intercooler remembers the debates we had here about them.

Intercooler · March 01 2015 01:10:18 PM MST

Yea... Thanks for watering down the ammo ${$default_grin_smiley}$

4949shooter · March 01 2015 03:58:16 PM MST

Quote from: Intercooler on March 01 2015 01:10:18 PM MST
Yea... Thanks for watering down the ammo ${$default_grin_smiley}$

Haha! ${$default_tongue_smiley}$

macc283 · March 02 2015 06:40:43 AM MST

Well any flatpoint with a metplat of .32" would make me happy. Other companies make them like magnus bullets i think has sum in 180gr. Beartooth cant be the only ones making these. But i guess thats why reloading your own is so cool you just make your own.

Taterhead · March 03 2015 09:33:34 PM MST

Quote from: Intercooler on March 01 2015 09:20:53 AM MST
You want Beartooth? The order quantity is huge and from the sounds of it Doubletap has the rights to those.

I'm not sure about that one. Doubletap's WFNGC is a closely similar profile, but they are not the same bullet as Beartooth, and they haven't loaded the Beartooth for at least 5 years. I communicated with Mike McNett about 6 years ago when they transitioned to insourcing casting of that bullet. He claimed that they are identical, but they aren't. I have still have a few both on hand that aren't loaded. The lube grooves are different, the crimp groove position is different, and the size of the flat point is slightly different. I've hand loaded both, and the BT is better quality.

My guess is that UW wouldn't go with Beartooth simply because they are really expensive, and BT might not be well equipped to function as a wholesale commercial supplier. Beartooth states that they are not really into volume discounting.

A Beartooth at a hair over 1200 fps is a GREAT load.

Intercooler · March 04 2015 02:30:15 PM MST

Do you have a picture of a 200gr Beartooth? We have the Doubletap round in the pull-downs. I was always told and people coined the reference to Doubletap using that bullet.

Taterhead · March 04 2015 03:29:09 PM MST

Quote from: Intercooler on March 04 2015 02:30:15 PM MST
Do you have a picture of a 200gr Beartooth? We have the Doubletap round in the pull-downs. I was always told and people coined the reference to Doubletap using that bullet.

I can take a pic tonight.

Taterhead · March 04 2015 10:28:16 PM MST

The Beartooth and Doubletap 200 gr WFNGCs. The BT is on the left of each pair. Note that the DT is missing its gas check. I pulled this bullet from a workup ladder that I decided that I'd gone far enough. When I pulled it, the gas check stuck in the case. Note that the crimp groove on the BT is a bit low, and the DT is a bit high. These are seated at 1.26". Of course the crimp groove is a non-issue in 10mm since we don't roll crimp.

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Taterhead · March 04 2015 10:41:19 PM MST

Just for fun, here is what happens when you shoot into water jugs with one of these loaded to a bit over 1200 fps. The first 3 jugs were wasted. Note how far the 1st one got tossed. You can also see how there was a footprint of the water jugs scoured into the space where the jugs were sitting. This is easily the most impressive display I've seen with any 10mm ammo. The bullet continued through SEVEN full jugs before drifting right and exiting the back right corner of the 7th and going into low-earth orbit. I have meant to repeat this test for a few years, and stack jugs to the side. I want to see just how many this will penetrate. I haven't captured one yet.

FWIW, I spent a day doing side-by-side testing of the 200 XTP and WFNGC. Both loaded to a bit over 1200 fps. I shot at all kinds of unscientific media. There was such a huge difference in carnage brought by the WFNGC vs. the XTP. That blunt profile is a hammer.

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Intercooler · March 05 2015 03:04:41 AM MST

PBR 200gr Beartooth

Doubletap 200gr... I guess I should change the sheet to their own bullet?

Taterhead · March 05 2015 10:03:26 AM MST

The easiest way tell them apart is that the BT has 2 lube grooves, and the DT has one. I haven't purchased DT components for a few years so I dont know if they've changed. In fact, I don't see the component available on the DT site at this point. Looking at the photo loaded ammo on the DT site, it shows the DT bullets that I'm familiar with. You can tell because you can see the exposed crimp groove above the case mouth. With the Beartooth, it is not exposed when seated in a10mm case - even when seated long like in my photo below.