Wow!

[hillbillyhans]

Are these really worth this much?!

[hillbillyhans]

Ooops. Forgot to list the price.

$1200

[DM1906]

Yeah, if the scope is worth $500 (or more). They're hard to come by, which jacks the price.  I picked a RBH for 1/2 that, NIB (equally, if not more, rare).  And it doesn't need moon clips.  That's another one on my list, but not at that price!

[EdMc]

That's about the going 'rate' on Gunbroker, or any of the online auction sites, even without the scope. As DM1906 stated, not many around for sale at any given time.

[jiminthe burg]

What is a RBH, if I may ask?  Thanks

[EdMc]

RBH?     Ruger Blackhawk

[DM1906]

That's about the going 'rate' on Gunbroker, or any of the online auction sites, even without the scope. As DM1906 stated, not many around for sale at any given time.

I understand that, and I don't disagree.  Gunbroker, with many items, is a lot like Ebay.  Selling prices are no indication of actual item values.  It's sad, but that's the way it works, good or bad.  And, the "15 minute rule"....... I wonder how many people whined to get that ridiculous policy.   30 or 60 seconds?  That would be more reasonable, but 15 minutes?  It's just a way to inflate the bid prices beyond their realistic values, and allow bid frenzies to continue......indefinitely.  A lot of gun values are assessed according to the "selling price" on Gunbroker, making these assessments unrealistic.  Disadvantage: buyer.  It's just more money to the seller, and to the auctioneer, most often unfairly.  "Going, going, gone" is a matter of seconds in a "real" competitive auction.  Not minutes.  Ridiculous.

[EdMc]

Oh yeah, I agree with all you said. The 15 minute rule is a lot ...stupid. I've never liked fleabay much for the same reasons but some things you just don't find around this area. The only purchases I've made on any gun auction sites were buy it now type auctions with realistic shipping fees and no add ons for credit cards.

Btw, the Ruger you have is a good example of a pistol I've never seen and probably never will in this area. Was it a 'convertible' BH with a cylinder in 38/40 and 10mm? As I said, not familiar with it but find it interesting. I like Rugers as they're usually a good value for what they cost. Plus the BHs are strongly constructed......Ruger only loads, etc.

[DM1906]

Oh yeah, I agree with all you said. The 15 minute rule is a lot ...stupid. I've never liked fleabay much for the same reasons but some things you just don't find around this area. The only purchases I've made on any gun auction sites were buy it now type auctions with realistic shipping fees and no add ons for credit cards.

Btw, the Ruger you have is a good example of a pistol I've never seen and probably never will in this area. Was it a 'convertible' BH with a cylinder in 38/40 and 10mm? As I said, not familiar with it but find it interesting. I like Rugers as they're usually a good value for what they cost. Plus the BHs are strongly constructed......Ruger only loads, etc.

Yes.  It's a "Buckeye Special", with 10mm and .38-40 cylinders.  Excellent shooter.  It's a Super Blackhawk frame with same-size (.44 Mag) cylinders (NOT a Vaquero).  I shoot .38-40 rounds at near .44 Mag power in it, and it doesn't flinch.  Very accurate, too.  Due to the design, it offers a nearly unlimited ceiling for 10mm rounds, with such a heavy cylinder, and only the case rim outside the symmetric chamber (cases can't bulge anywhere, leaving only the primer pocket as a pressure indicator, good or bad).  I haven't had it as long as the others, but it quickly became one of my favorites.  If you like SA Rugers, it's a must-have.  I bought it locally from a private party for a song.  It had never been fired (and only the 10mm cylinder turned) when I got it a couple years ago, and it was made in 1989 or 90 (conflicting dates, can go either way, and Ruger won't say).  I'd like to find the .32-20/.32M twin with the same serial number, if there was one.  I could go on and on, but it's just a bit off-topic.

[505Gibbs]

Oh yeah, I agree with all you said. The 15 minute rule is a lot ...stupid. I've never liked fleabay much for the same reasons but some things you just don't find around this area. The only purchases I've made on any gun auction sites were buy it now type auctions with realistic shipping fees and no add ons for credit cards.

Btw, the Ruger you have is a good example of a pistol I've never seen and probably never will in this area. Was it a 'convertible' BH with a cylinder in 38/40 and 10mm? As I said, not familiar with it but find it interesting. I like Rugers as they're usually a good value for what they cost. Plus the BHs are strongly constructed......Ruger only loads, etc.

Buckeye Sports was[they're now closed] a Ruger distributor in Ohio[surprise, surprise]. Probably the two best known 'distributor specials' they offered were the 32 Long/32 H&R mag and the 10mm/38-40 Blackhawks.
The two offerings were about 2-3 years apart. The first was the 32 caliber version.
Really neat packages.

[EdMc]

Thanks for the background......I posted a link in another post to one for sale on GB. Just looking at the photos it looks like the finish is nicer than the regular production BHs. At least nicer than my convertible 45 Colt/45 ACP. Sometimes internet photos will fool you though....

[DM1906]

Buckeye Sports was[they're now closed] a Ruger distributor in Ohio[surprise, surprise]. Probably the two best known 'distributor specials' they offered were the 32 Long/32 H&R mag and the 10mm/38-40 Blackhawks.
The two offerings were about 2-3 years apart. The first was the 32 caliber version.
Really neat packages.

Actually......
They were made in 1989 and 1990, December to August, .32 first then 10mm, 5000 each.  The .32 is a .32-20 (.32WCF, not .32L).  The model numbers are 610- and 611-, respectively, and could have been ordered with matching serial numbers.  I'm still looking for the .32 twin to mine.  It's #4476, in case someone reading this has it....

[Intercooler]

It's interesting because I followed them for a long time trying to buy one and gave up (see the Redhawk down there). They are different and here are some pros and cons I saw:

Pros

- Moon clips are like having multiple speed loaders on the cheap
- It's built on a large frame
- Cheaper than .44 Magnum to shoot
- If you love 10's it's one that most want rather than the Ruger Buckeye

Cons

- Moon clips are hard to unload
- The frame is actually bigger than needed from what people that own them say. The GP100 frame size is better.
- More expensive than .357 Magnum to shoot
- Some loss in velocity due to cylinder gap


$1200 for a 610 will buy you a GP100 and a Redhawk. Both take rimmed cartridges like a normal revolver and for these reasons I just could never pay it... and have both!

[DM1906]

It's interesting because I followed them for a long time trying to buy one and gave up (see the Redhawk down there). They are different and here are some pros and cons I saw:

Pros

- Moon clips are like having multiple speed loaders on the cheap
- It's built on a large frame
- Cheaper than .44 Magnum to shoot
- If you love 10's it's one that most want rather than the Ruger Buckeye

Cons

- Moon clips are hard to unload
- The frame is actually bigger than needed from what people that own them say. The GP100 frame size is better.
- More expensive than .357 Magnum to shoot
- Some loss in velocity due to cylinder gap


$1200 for a 610 will buy you a GP100 and a Redhawk. Both take rimmed cartridges like a normal revolver and for these reasons I just could never pay it... and have both!

SA revolvers are what they are.  Unless you're a SA fan, it isn't for you.  The nature of a SA revolver is what it is.
There may be pros/cons, but I don't see the cons you listed.  They're apples and oranges.  The Redhawk is a fine piece, but it isn't a Blackhawk.

Also, the cylinder gap is not a real factor.  I've heard it for years, and thought the same for a long time.  Fact is, it isn't fact.  There is MUCH more variation with design, finish, tolerance and actual land/groove diameters.  Removing the gap entirely (for testing purposes, with no detectable gas leakage) showed no difference or appreciable loss of velocity, and well within the MOE of any chrono.  I've done this with most of my revolvers, and the results are always the same.

If yours shows a significant velocity loss, all else being equal, it probably needs a little fine-tuning, or you're shooting the wrong size bullets.  I realize there aren't a lot of options with OTC rounds, so you shoot what you get.  The custom loads can do better, if they publish the actual bullet diameters.  I don't think you'll have that level of precision with the "cheap" target rounds.  Perhaps with BB or Underwood.  Slug your barrel, cone and cylinder to see what you really have.

[gandog56]

Oh yeah, I agree with all you said. The 15 minute rule is a lot ...stupid. I've never liked fleabay much for the same reasons but some things you just don't find around this area. The only purchases I've made on any gun auction sites were buy it now type auctions with realistic shipping fees and no add ons for credit cards.

Btw, the Ruger you have is a good example of a pistol I've never seen and probably never will in this area. Was it a 'convertible' BH with a cylinder in 38/40 and 10mm? As I said, not familiar with it but find it interesting. I like Rugers as they're usually a good value for what they cost. Plus the BHs are strongly constructed......Ruger only loads, etc.

I've bought quite a bit of C&R type guns at Gunbroker. Where else you going to find a Winchester 95 originally chambered in 7.62X54R. And the going rate for them is about 2-3 GRAND! I paid less than half that. (Plus it goes with my 12 Mosin Nagant rifles!) I've bought a Walther P-1 there, a couple Yugo Mausers. The only time I got burned was I put in a joke bid of $40 for a Hi-Point .45. Imagine my shock when that bid WON! It cost me more to ship and and pay the fee to my transfer guy.

Worst POS I ever bought in my LIFE!