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[Intercooler]

I have had a few in different calibers meet or exceed the rating. Are we just talking 10mm? Let me get a summary... BRB

[Intercooler]

  On the 10mm sheet we have 10 rounds tested. Out of those only 2 were within 25 FPS (both 230's) and the remaining 8 were at least 50 FPS off. Out of those 8 we had 7 which were over 100 FPS off.


      2 for 10 or 20%

[Raggedyman]

If he printed accurate claims on his product and lowered price to a level competitive with Underwood, I might consider giving him some money. If he also made even an attempt at an apology or explanation, if he at least admitted that they were producing ammo that failed to meet claims, he would definitely have my business.

I think the velocity of several of his loads are actually better than Underwood because the bullet performs too poorly when pushed to the very bleeding edge of SAAMI spec. For example, the Double Tap 180 gr is at 1,200 fps, according to The Chart, while Underwood pushes theirs to 1,300 fps. In my no so expert opinion, 1,300 fps is too fast for a 180 gr but they seem to do well at 1,200 fps. That's still much faster than a .40 S&W can do but you get better performance and less recoil than you would if you pushed another 100 fps faster.

[RubenZ]

That picture proves that Glocks are the ugliest 10mm on the market lol. 

[wadcutter]

If he printed accurate claims on his product and lowered price to a level competitive with Underwood, I might consider giving him some money. If he also made even an attempt at an apology or explanation, if he at least admitted that they were producing ammo that failed to meet claims, he would definitely have my business.

I think the velocity of several of his loads are actually better than Underwood because the bullet performs too poorly when pushed to the very bleeding edge of SAAMI spec. For example, the Double Tap 180 gr is at 1,200 fps, according to The Chart, while Underwood pushes theirs to 1,300 fps. In my no so expert opinion, 1,300 fps is too fast for a 180 gr but they seem to do well at 1,200 fps. That's still much faster than a .40 S&W can do but you get better performance and less recoil than you would if you pushed another 100 fps faster.

Underwood's ammo doesn't do too good in tnoutdours9's gel tests. Underwood is basically driving 40SW bullets 200+ fps faster than what they were designed for. You end up with jacket separation in some loads even with gold dots and minimal penetration in others. Factor in the recoil which increases the time it takes to make follow up shots and it's not the best ammo in the world for self defense or hunting, but velocity numbers sell ammo.

[sqlbullet]

You are not wrong wadcutter.

[4949shooter]

If he printed accurate claims on his product and lowered price to a level competitive with Underwood, I might consider giving him some money. If he also made even an attempt at an apology or explanation, if he at least admitted that they were producing ammo that failed to meet claims, he would definitely have my business.

I think the velocity of several of his loads are actually better than Underwood because the bullet performs too poorly when pushed to the very bleeding edge of SAAMI spec. For example, the Double Tap 180 gr is at 1,200 fps, according to The Chart, while Underwood pushes theirs to 1,300 fps. In my no so expert opinion, 1,300 fps is too fast for a 180 gr but they seem to do well at 1,200 fps. That's still much faster than a .40 S&W can do but you get better performance and less recoil than you would if you pushed another 100 fps faster.

Underwood's ammo doesn't do too good in tnoutdours9's gel tests. Underwood is basically driving 40SW bullets 200+ fps faster than what they were designed for. You end up with jacket separation in some loads even with gold dots and minimal penetration in others. Factor in the recoil which increases the time it takes to make follow up shots and it's not the best ammo in the world for self defense or hunting, but velocity numbers sell ammo.

The 200 grain XTP's were designed by Hornady for 10mm, not .40 S&W.

They don't load the 200 grain XTP in .40.

The 155 grain XTP's are loaded by Hornady in both .40 and 10mm as you know, but I agree they don't load them as hot as Underwood as they don't want to exceed the threshold of the bullet.

[The_Shadow]

Well there was a contractual run of 200 grain Gold Dots loaded in 40S&W, this was an ATK expired lot, they never sold in .40 Cal., the Speer expert said they were never release for production only a few thousand was sold out of 50,000 produced they were pulled and sold as such by RMR.



SPEER® LE GOLD DOT® DUTY AMMUNITION 40 S&W
Specifications:
Part Number: 53883
Bullet Style: GDHP
Caliber: 40 S&W
Test Barrel Length in Inches: 4
Bullet Weight (Grains/Grams): 200 / 12.96
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.21
Velocity in Feet Per Second
Muzzle:915
25:   898
50:   881
75:   866
100:   851

Data from the sample...
Speer 200 grain Gold Dot HP
Bullet Weight  202.4 gr - 198.4 gr
Bullet length  0.7000" - 0.6995"  0.6965"
Bullet diameter crimp line 0.3920"
Bullet Diameter shank base 0.4000"  0.3995"
HP Cavity 0.2165"

[4949shooter]

Yes these were intended for the law enforcement market. I would like to see them loaded in 10mm, but I wonder of they will stand up to real 10mm velocities?

[Intercooler]

I have some. I thought I sent them for gel.

[4949shooter]

That would be good to see. I wouldn't mind seeing Speer or someone else offering them in a factory load.

[The_Shadow]

I'd be happy if Speer just offered them as components for handloaders...