Do you own a Maxpedition bag and take prescription drugs?

[EdMc]

A follow-up article with slightly more information.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/2012/08/08/conn-lawyer-with-gun-batman-movie-arrested/UPT8oJNs4lhb1LUFqqf1VI/story.html

[sqlbullet]

4949shooter, I do think I have a right to state I don't consent to the search, or seizure of property, unless or until the officer has made it clear I am being detained.  I think they should state their suspicion out of courtesy, but understand the are under no obligation to do so.  I even understand that under certain circumstances revealing the suspicion may be counter-productive to the interrogation.

If an officer asks me to submit to a search, I will refuse.  If he commands me to, I will submit under protest.  And everyone should do the same.  See Raffel V US.  This is what is going to jam up the guy in Ohio.  He consented to a search, rather than refusing it or submitting under protest.

But my primary point in the original post is that the news articles did not report ANY crimes committed, or even accused.  They merely state the men were carrying guns, which is legal in both states.  Yet both these men are being held up as criminals by the news.  I am pretty sure we can all see ourselves pretty easily in a similar situation.  I went to see Bourne Legacy Friday night and had a gun and two knives.

[4949shooter]

I understand what you are saying, sqlbullet.

There are situations where most honest people don't find themselves in where frisks and searches are the norm. As a 23+ year LEO I see frisks and searches just about every day, thus my perspective. You look at it from the perspective an honest person, in that frisks and searches are a violation of your rights. This is where we differ.

[REDLINE]

The problem is, long gone are the days where cops were around to protect you and yours.

I'm not aware there ever was such a time.

Their job now is to make sure you know who has the badge, and who doesn't.

Good day.

Have you ever met an officer that wasn't a jerk?  I've known ones that are and others that weren't.  Some are just like you say.  But plenty of others are perfectly decent individuals not looking to give anyone a hard time.

[uz2bUSMC]

Well, I'm done with this thread. Obviously there is a disagreement and that is perfectly fine. On my way out of this topic I just wanted to say that I apologize to anyone I may have pissed off. Later gents, I apreciate the discussion.

[sqlbullet]

an officer that wasn't a jerk?  I've known ones that are and others that weren't.  Some are just like you say.  But plenty of others are perfectly decent individuals not looking to give anyone a hard time.

You get all kinds.  Many of my good friends are law enforcement officers, including one of my best friends.  A decade ago we were partners.  When we left that department, he went to another department here in Utah, and I went to a different career.

There were two people in particular back in the day we worked with almost every day who used their badge as their license to bully.  They had no skills at all in de-escalation, and in fact we would work to keep them out of situations because they would escalate them.

I found that to be true of about every group I interacted with.  Out of 10 officers, you would have 2-3 real jerks.  You would also have 1-2 that didn't belong and hadn't figured it out yet.  The remaining 5-6 were solid, professional officers.

4949 is right.  You perspective certainly changes based on who you interact with everyday.

[hillbillyhans]

There are good cops(deputies,troopers,agents,rangers,marshalls,etc..), and bad. I was a cpl. at a new supermax in NE of all places, but had friends in all reaches of the L.E. field. Most are good, but the bad ones are EVIL!

[REDLINE]

Agreed.

[DM1906]

Bad cops are like bad apples.  It doesn't take many to spoil the barrel.  The media doesn't help. (do-gooders don't make news)

[REDLINE]

(do-gooders don't make news)

I hate that!  Well, I actually hate the truth in all of what you said, but even more that.