FBI Chooses the 9mm!

sqlbullet · October 24 2014 04:14:28 PM MDT

I will add that I am NOT a 9mm hater. Have owned in the past, and have shopped a number of 9mm guns lately, most commonly BHP's.

Freetime · October 24 2014 04:31:13 PM MDT

Good point, I would say this. Given the fixed capability the .40 will always have over the 9mm applying bullet technology equally to both, I would take the extra couples rounds you get in a 9mm. Again this is in a law enforcement setting.

4949shooter · October 25 2014 04:14:59 AM MDT

Yep....the FBI is going back to the 9. Thoughts? I think they will be well served by it. I do believe that most importantly hits count, and the 9mm is easier for many of today's new police recruits to shoot. I have seen this all over, and they aren't hiring boys off the farm anymore. There are many smaller statured recruits, males and females, who came into law enforcement not knowing how to shoot.

I do believe the 9mm, especially in its +p version, is sufficient for large city PD's and agencies like the FBI. For rural departments, like sheriff's offices and state patrol agencies, I would prefer/recommend the .40 or .357 Sig for the ability to penetrate auto body material and glass.

But that's just me..

justin10mm · October 26 2014 08:38:19 PM MDT

38s, 9mm and 12 gauge are poor matches against a determined attacker with a rifle. Miami and North Hollywood proved that.

Freetime · October 26 2014 09:00:31 PM MDT

All handguns are a bad choice against a rifle

sqlbullet · October 27 2014 08:24:49 AM MDT

There is the old tale of the Texas Ranger at a dinner party. The host notices his sidearm and exclaims "Sir, are you expecting trouble?".

He replies with a Texas drawl "Ma'am, if I were expecting trouble I would have brought my rifle."

DocModisett · December 10 2014 07:35:08 AM MST

That is exactly right,,,, having been a peace officer in Texas, our preference if we were knowingly getting into a confrontation was a shotgun or a rifle,,,, most all of the Rangers carried spare bullets for their rifles in their belts...

pacapcop · December 10 2014 02:10:46 PM MST

I go along with 445 SuperMag. If perspective agents cannot handle a pistol outside a 9mm,maybe it's just not meant to be a agent. I have seen petite built officers easily pass with .45's. Utter nonsense.

my_old_glock · December 11 2014 11:05:18 AM MST

Quote from: The_Shadow on October 10 2014 07:51:19 AM MDT

While they choose the 9mm for their sidearm, you can bet they will have other firearms for SHTF situations.

+1

The 9mm will only be for everyday carry. It won't be used for tactical situations like busting in doors. All things considered, they made the right decision to go with the 9mm.

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DAVIDF · December 11 2014 12:19:53 PM MST

Quote from: pacapcop on December 10 2014 02:10:46 PM MST
I go along with 445 SuperMag. If perspective agents cannot handle a pistol outside a 9mm,maybe it's just not meant to be a agent. I have seen petite built officers easily pass with .45's. Utter nonsense.

Well, until the FBI or any other law enforcement agency makes shooting their #1 priority, a 9mm is going to be easier to train their employees on. Plus, there is the benefit of being easier with a lighter recoiling weapon to fire with your weak hand, etc.

When I went into AFOSI, we carried modifed WWII 1911's. The slide & barrel were shortened to commander length. The grip was shortened to officer's model length. I loved it as I grew up with a WWII 1911. Our training was excellent with many hours of dry firing, malfunction & reload drills in a classroom. It was lengthy as most were not gun people & many if not most had not fired anything but an M16 in basic, ROTC, OTS, or at the AF Academy. The lengthy training brought everyone up to a very proficient level as far as rapid clearing of malfunctions & very rapid reloads. However, accuracy was another issue. A lot were never very good with that platform.

A few years later we transitioned to the Baretta. I missed my 1911 & would have prefered to keep carrying it. However, almost everyone's accuracy increased particulary with those with less experience.

For any agency that does not have a particular tactical duty, 9mm is definitely the most efficient way to go. Only those tactical units are going to have the training time to make sure that everyone is proficient at the level they deem necessary. Even then, it is still quicker & cheaper (both in training hours & material) to get them to that level.

radiotom · February 09 2015 08:20:35 PM MST

Funny, cuz the ammo looks like garbage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZvkZRsVOMc

Centimeter · February 10 2015 10:19:58 AM MST

Yeesh, that was weak. These are some of the worst performing bullets he's ever tested... But that's possibly just because the clear gel isn't quite as representative as the standard porcine gel. I have a hard time believing that Speer would put out a product that would perform this poorly. Maybe it was a production error that will be caught and changed quickly.

radiotom · February 10 2015 12:08:14 PM MST

I agree about the clear gel, but it also didn't do well in his SIMTEST stuff. HST and gen 1 Gold Dots always ace those tests...

I forget where I read it, but somebody claims to have done barrier tests with the G2 as well, he said it didn't expand whatsoever through the barriers.

What the heck is going on?