Conspiracy theory video

[Intercooler]

   A friend at work sent me this video and it does get me thinking some. The thing that really raises my eyebrow is the metal! In many of the things he talks about in here (if you know metals) it would be hard for them to not be left behind in a fire. As an example Titanium melts at 3,034°F  and Jet fuel has a maximum burn temperature of 1,890 °F.

[Intercooler]

Where's The Shadow?


You are the fire expert. Smoke trail show absence of Oxygen? Would the Steel beams carry enough heat away to prevent melting? Would the flame color need to be blue for it to be hot enough? This all assumes the sprinkler/suppression system also must have failed?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x45167

[The_Shadow]

Well here is another thing to understand about steel, a 100' beam heated to about 1000 degrees will elongate about 9".  That can cause it to sag or even push outward along its length.

They had testimony that the insulation on the steel had been blown off the steel beams because of the impact. (maybe it was removed prior to the incident)   

About the melted steel, I haven't seen the pictures (the one in the link didn't show), but it requires substantial heat and O2 (concentrated not just 21% as in air) just to melt steel.  There were stories in our training that there was some chemical coatings applied to the steel beam that would generate enough heat to melt steel.  (This was found in some large arson fires but never fully explained because they too were consumed in the fire)

Magnesium, burns white hot and around 8000 degrees, provides its own O2.
Thermite, burns hot enough to weld railroad tracks together end to end, very violent exothermic reaction start to finish where it consumes all of its composition.

Well, there is so much that just doesn't add up as it pertains to the incidents...it does beg for a deeper investigation however evidence is gone.  So where's this leave us, you need to follow the money exchanging hands if it was a covert operation/cover up.

[The_Shadow]

May be this has some truth to it...

http://worldtruth.tv/the-illuminati-agenda-7-billion-people-under-mind-control-of-a-few-shepherds/

[Geeman]

Lots of things here.

First, Shadow mentioned magnesium, which I'd guess all wheels and supporting structures for the landing gear of the jets would be made of. 
Second the heat from the fire was reflected to a large degree, plus the building itself would have a blast furnace type updraft I'd guess.

Next would be the steel wouldn't have to fail, but the attaching hardware would play a larger role.  Additionally the weight bearing on it from above would accelerate the collapse.  Notice how much less time the second tower took to fail than the first as the impact of the second plane was lower than the first.

I guess theories must happen.  There were more than a few eye witnesses, and the kinetics of that much mass falling from that far that height.

TWA Flight 800, on the other hand....

Greg

[NRA]

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Jet fuel.  Is Kerosene.  Your grandparents kept the stuff in the wooden house, and managed not to burn it down.  Lamps, stoves. That is one point to ponder.

No steel structure in the history of buildings, going back some 100 years, has ever failed due to fire. 

There were 7 buildings in the WTC complex.  In the attack, how many of these 7 buildings were destroyed?  All 7!   How many adjoining, close by buildings were destroyed?  None.  Damaged, yes, flattened, none.

Two planes, took out 7 buildings?  How is that possible?  Building 7, a 47 story massive building, came straight down, free fall speed, at 5:20 in the afternoon. 

Pentagon.  Largest military office building in the world.  Not one clear video, of anything hitting the building.  No aircraft seats, no wings, no tail section, no miles of wire,
and hydraulic lines, no luggage, no bodies, no crew, no landing gear. 

Shanksville.  Ditto, no plane wreckage.

This was on PBS , C-Span, in December.  Watch it, and get up to speed, as to what the facts are, discovered so far.  We need a real investigation into this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ3-qkNgsfI

http://www.ae911truth.org/

[pacapcop]

I always keep in mind that after the incident occurred, there were large short positions with major airline stocks that made certain people's wealth expand dramatically. These elites are psychopaths. Not a conspiracy.

[DeltaSteve]

IMHO as many conspiracies  ........... The secret that's too big/too complex to keep.

[sqlbullet]

They couldn't hide the fact the president was getting a b*****b in the oval office.  That was a very, very few people.  No way they are going to hide this.

[NRA]

They couldn't hide the fact the president was getting a b*****b in the oval office.  That was a very, very few people.  No way they are going to hide this.

It is not so much as if they have hidden anything. (or hidden it very well) Most people do not care to look at dog vomit up close, and make a study out of it.  We want the white washed version on the evening news, and then we flip to sports.   People by in large, do not want the facts.  Most people are incapable of the truth.  Would make a good movie line. 

Architects and engineers for 911 truth, numbers over 2,200 professional people highly respected in the building of steel and concrete buildings, and they say, we need a real investigation into 911.  I say, they are correct. 

[NRA]

Pilots For 911 Truth, is an organization of professional airline pilots, say a jumbo did not hit the Pentagon, and did not hit Shanksville. 

[gandog56]

I'm sick of the government conspiracy crap. You ever hear of Occam's razor? The towelheads had all the reason (Or in this case, unreason) they needed. Sometimes the simplest reason IS the reason.

[sqlbullet]

It is not so much as if they have hidden anything. (or hidden it very well) Most people do not care to look at dog vomit up close, and make a study out of it.  We want the white washed version on the evening news, and then we flip to sports.   People by in large, do not want the facts.  Most people are incapable of the truth.  Would make a good movie line. 

Architects and engineers for 911 truth, numbers over 2,200 professional people highly respected in the building of steel and concrete buildings, and they say, we need a real investigation into 911.  I say, they are correct. 

Yeah.  I see what you mean.

The report by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) with the suppor of the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE); the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE); the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA); the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC); the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH); and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY) that took seven years to complete was clearly just gun-decked.

I am not saying that the "mainstream" news is not woefully inadequate.  Not just with this, with everything.  But just cause the media can't understand the conclusions and report on them meaningfully doesn't mean the investigation wasn't done and the conclusions aren't supported by the facts.

[my_old_glock]

That video has nothing new.

P.S. Some people don't want to see what is right in front of them.



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