REGARDLESS OF PRICE, what do you think is THE most devestating 10mm ammo?

[nochromeguns]

The ones I make myself!

ditto

[Ramjet]

105 grain DRT at 1800 FPS 

[Buckeye 50]

Guys;

By "devastating" I simply mean when shot into ballistic gel or tissue will render the most overall damage.  By "damage" I mean will disrupt and harm the biggest area of the target.

In Youtube TNoutdoors9 gel testing, the fastest did some of the more minimal damage (Underwood 135gr Noslers at a whopping 1,600 fps and 760+ ft/lbs.).  If you look at all of his 10mm test arguably the best results (of HIS testing) appeared to me to be the Hornady 180 gr. XTP round.  Here is the footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X6vNZTbF7s

Anywho, let me know your thoughts.  I have no particular horse in the game, just looking for input.

Thanks,

Pat






Pat

[Rojo27]

Guys;

By "devastating" I simply mean when shot into ballistic gel or tissue will render the most overall damage.  By "damage" I mean will disrupt and harm the biggest area of the target.

In Youtube TNoutdoors9 gel testing, the fastest did some of the more minimal damage (Underwood 135gr Noslers at a whopping 1,600 fps and 760+ ft/lbs.).  If you look at all of his 10mm test arguably the best results (of HIS testing) appeared to me to be the Hornady 180 gr. XTP round.  Here is the footage:

I read your clarification as focusing on overall combination of length/width of permanent cavity (tissue disruption), penetration depth, and energy transfer.
IMHO:
Buffalo Bore 155gr TAC-XP (1st choice if projectile moving 1400 fps)
Other notables:
Underwood 200gr XTP (200gr XTP projectile moving around 1200-1150 fps)
Lyman Devastator 156gr.
Underwood 165gr Gold Dot (165gr gold dot projectile moving around 1350-1400 fps)
180gr Hornady XTP
I still really like the 180gr gold dots moving 1250-1275 fps...  So call it Ted Nugent 180gr Speer.

Any on this list would damn sure turn a BG's smile upside down. 


 

[pacapcop]

Buckeye. That U/W 135 or say Nugent's 135 Nosler for that matter are frag nasty and good application for crowded/urban surroundings. Apt dwellers etc. Hate to be on the business end of that.

[mag360]

I disagree on the 135gr in any loading.  Even if its better for not going through walls you need to put down what you are shooting and with less than 12" on all of em and some of those barely get 8" its not enough.  Need to reliably make incapacitating hits or its just a flesh wound.  Thise bullets come apart in gel. There is no chance of making it through a rib and going deep enough to hit something.

[Geeman]

I disagree on the 135gr in any loading.  Even if its better for not going through walls you need to put down what you are shooting and with less than 12" on all of em and some of those barely get 8" its not enough.  Need to reliably make incapacitating hits or its just a flesh wound.  Thise bullets come apart in gel. There is no chance of making it through a rib and going deep enough to hit something.

How about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdB8yo085Sw

Greg

[mag360]

Its not a reliable bullet weight in 10mm.  That heart test doesnt change that.  The all coppers which are light dor caliber are different since they dont fragment.

[Geeman]

What about all the rounds that are DESIGNED to fragment?

If you come un-invited in the middle of the night to my house, you will be greeted by a pistol filled with 135g Noslers.  I'm not Police.  I don't need to shoot through car doors of windshields.  Fragmentation isn't a bad thing in all situations, and in my house there are positives. 

If you aim for center of mass and the bullet strikes in a vital part of the target, how much of the time won't 8" get to those vital organs?

If you don't choose light bullets, fine.  That doesn't stop them for being a valid choice for some of the rest of us.

Greg

[Intercooler]

     Any projectile and type from 77gr-230gr is going to pass through drywall and wood. The only issue I see with the 135's are the excessive muzzle blast in a confined space. Lighter weight bullets with bigger powder charges seem to always exhibit those characteristics. I personally see nothing wrong with a good 155gr GD or Barnes... even a Winchester Silvertip would be good for the home.

[pacapcop]

I think with fragmentation going thru dry wall /wood, it will be minimized. Depending on age of dwelling and materials. I have seen and I am sure others where drive by shootings occurred that innocent bystanders were cut down by the 9mm. It's personal defense. And with the 10mm and not a alot of past cases of DGU, it's important to choose the bullet concerning surroundings and one that the carrier feels right with. I also see U/W's 150's in a Nosler bullet.

[4949shooter]

I don't see anybody volunteering to be shot with a 10mm 135.

Then again, I don't see anyone volunteering to be shot with a .380 either.

I say carry what your gun is reliable with, and what you are most comfortable with. Shot placement is the most important thing.

Also, every bullet has its' purpose. The 10mm 135 could make a nice home defense round, but might not be the best load for a highway patrol agency, or any police agency which makes a lot of motor vehicle stops.

To each his own.

[Intercooler]

I ran the test with drywall and plywood using a Crossfire Sinterfire 125gr fragmenting round. Still trucking 50 yards out!

If only I had a location to do some at night shooting videos of muzzle blast 

[pacapcop]

I train in night fire, dim light and night fire with additional Red and Blues activated. I do this with a .45 and 10mm with exception of 10mm with Red and Blues activated. And I use the 135's. Train and more training. Like 4949 said, carry what your comfortable and train with. Muzzle flash is present in both, use to it. The 10 is more but I am use to it. If ones carrying a 10 for DGU, esp in urban or known congested areas, the 135 has it's purpose. I live in a dwelling built in late 1800's with 3 units, 1st 2nd and 3rd floors. Top to bottom. I can more than likely get away with carrying a much heavier bullet in 10mm inside. I been in some newer dwellings where I wonder if one trips and falls against wall if they will end up in next door neighbors dwelling.

[mag360]

I just cant get on board of the 135. All scientific analysis of that loadings wounding points to the conclusion that better options are available.   Why not just use the 180gr xtp factory hornady load that penetrates 16-18" and expands real nice with nearly full weight retention.

Also greg said he wont wver have to shoot through glass from a car so the 135gr is ok.

Did you consider being stopped on the side of the road changing your tire and needing to shoot through your car or soneone elses?  What about needing to punch through a couch or a threat on the other side of a door?

Why not just carry a bullet with the characteristics that our most knowledgeable folks on this subject tell us to do?