About to buy my first 10mm, how am I doing?

[Intercooler]

Just like... For everything else, there's MasterCard. 


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How much does that gun weigh, IC?

Edit: Disregard. I found it.....1200 grams. The Glock 20SF weighs 875 grams and carries how many more bullets? 4 right?

Your Tanfo might make a nice range gun, but try carrying it for a 12 hour duty shift. How about carrying it for a day in the woods, humping up and down mountains and hills in the snow while wearing a pack, along with a rifle and ammunition, calls, and flashlights?

I don't see Glock owners interdicting on Tanfo threads here telling Tanfo owners how great Glocks are, so why the other way around?

It's a first gun and unless I read into it wrong, not decided yet. Would you really let someone here go the Gen 4 route without offering some options. I know you haven't been buried under the snow that  far  to not have seen them.

    We had suggestions of going a Gen 3 instead, so I didn't see a thing wrong with yet another option. Options are good and if the OP didn't like my suggestion I apologize. I would still like to see them with one of the other good running options.   

[pacapcop]

Look forward to my Stock 2. I am having a co worker who makes carbon fiber holsters make one just for the Tanfo Stock 2. Also dual mag pouches. His work is spot on and priced below what one would pay for same product. Pics forthcoming.

[Intercooler]

  OP,

         As far as barrel if you go with one of the G20's, you may want to look at a Barsto barrel. In talking with Kevin Underwood (Underwood Ammo), his personal test gun G20 has a Barsto and he tells me he is going to some crazy extremes without showing any pressure signs. His words are that's good and bad! If I were barrel shopping I would go with something like that. I don't think he would ever sell his Barsto barrel  If you run the hotter ammo like Underwood I would for sure go with a 20lb + spring in there. Good luck with your decision!

[4949shooter]

Different tools for different tasks. 

Lets say you drop the pistol in the sand along a lake.  The action is locked open, and sand gets all over. 

Tanfoglio is done for the day.

Good chance you can blow the sand out well enough the Glock will function.  If not, go to the water, insert Glock, swish it around a bit, and your back in business.

One is a nice, pretty target pistol that may do fine in some settings.

The other is an ugly black combat weapon that is loose enough just about everywhere that no matter what happens, the thing still works.

I have a G4-G20 and it doesn't eat every ammo.  It doesn't with a 22lb spring either.  Its the extreme upper edge of the hot ammo it has issues with.  If given the choice, do Gen3 if your going to do Glock, at least if you want to run the very hottest ammo.

If the pistol isn't going to see abuse, consider something like the Tanfoglio Match for about the same price. 

I think Tanfo's holds 14+1, Glocks hold 15+1.

Greg

Tanfo's website says 11 round capacity for some reason?

Excuse me for now. I have to go logon on to Witness Talk so I can tell those guys how great Glocks are! 

[4949shooter]

Just like... For everything else, there's MasterCard. 


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How much does that gun weigh, IC?

Edit: Disregard. I found it.....1200 grams. The Glock 20SF weighs 875 grams and carries how many more bullets? 4 right?

Your Tanfo might make a nice range gun, but try carrying it for a 12 hour duty shift. How about carrying it for a day in the woods, humping up and down mountains and hills in the snow while wearing a pack, along with a rifle and ammunition, calls, and flashlights?

I don't see Glock owners interdicting on Tanfo threads here telling Tanfo owners how great Glocks are, so why the other way around?

It's a first gun and unless I read into it wrong, not decided yet. Would you really let someone here go the Gen 4 route without offering some options. I know you haven't been buried under the snow that  far  to not have seen them.

    We had suggestions of going a Gen 3 instead, so I didn't see a thing wrong with yet another option. Options are good and if the OP didn't like my suggestion I apologize. I would still like to see them with one of the other good running options.

I am not knocking Tanfo's by any means. My last name ends in a vowel, and as such you would be hard pressed to hear me knock an eyetalian product anyway.

Just making an observation though, and you haven't answered my question....why all the Glock hate from Tanfo owners, but none vice versa?

It's a legitimate question..

[Intercooler]

  I never hated on the Glock in here. I posted a picture without any Glock or other reference.

   If you feel one of the other models by any MFG (not just Tanfo or Glock) is in a trend of issues for sure post it up! Our communication here will save someone a headache! If you have never experienced what frustration comes from something that is problematic I can't explain that to you. Having been down that road it really takes the wind out of your sails wanting to shoot. That is until you sell it and feel even worse about a loss you just took.

[4949shooter]

This isn't the first time this has happened here with the whole Tanfo/Glock thing. As noted it is always the Tanfo owners who seem to be against Glocks, but Glock owners are indifferent to Tanfo's. I also had looked on your facebook page a while back when you posted it, and there was a lot of Glock hatred there as well.

I don't understand it, really.

Either way, I am not going to grill you on it anymore (25 years as an LEO tends to make you do that, just ask my wife  ) but there is an observation out there. I have had other Glock owners from this site comment to me on private email on it, so I am not the only one to notice.

I just thought you might like to know. 

[Intercooler]

   I feel ya  As many as you had e-mail or PM you, I have also had people asking me about other options behind the scenes and in the open too. If you ask me, I will only tell you the truth.

    One thing is for sure, I don't hide like a Turtle. I'm open to debate either way openly or behind the scenes. We all have opinions and I'm no different. Feel free to stop by the Facebook page anytime you want and even post up why the Tangfo is not good.

[4949shooter]

   I feel ya  As many as you had e-mail or PM you, I have also had people asking me about other options behind the scenes and in the open too. If you ask me, I will only tell you the truth.

    One thing is for sure, I don't hide like a Turtle. I'm open to debate either way openly or behind the scenes. We all have opinions and I'm no different. Feel free to stop by the Facebook page anytime you want and even post up why the Tangfo is not good.

Don't put words in my mouth, friend.

The Tanfo has it's faults just like the Glock does, but I never said it wasn't "good."

[Intercooler]

  Switching gears. I posted up a thread on the Glock board for us to debate so this can get back on topic.

Looking forward to seeing you there! I'm actually looking forward to the responses good or bad.

[4949shooter]

Nothing to debate.

Glocks and Tanfo's are both good. They do have their different applications though.

[radiotom]

I decided to swap out the Underwood HP's for some Double Tap 200 Nosler HP's. We'll see how the Gen 4 likes that. I didn't realize that Underwood loads the nuclear stuff. I'm not interested in nuclear loads...I'll save those for my .44 Magnum Super Redhawk. Double Tap seems to load those 200's right under full power which sounds more like what I was going for with my 10mm setup (black bears and people, not grizzlies). I'll let ya'll know if I run into any issues.

[The_Shadow]

Radiotom, let me apologize for the way things went down here.  I'm sure things will settle out between those two...
Sorry you were placed in the middle of that unneeded bickering.

Do you currently own the Glock 20 Gen 4 factory & KKM Barrel (4.6) barrels?  You mention about loading for it...

The Glock gen 4 is new and aftermarket RSA are far and few between, therefore tuning of the slide for the higher impulse ammo  has presented a challenge.  This will change I'm sure.  Many are still trying to dial in the system.
I am still studying the purchase of the RSA I want for my Glock Gen 3.

I feel that these captive recoil springs used on the Glocks while OK with most factory ammo, just doesn't apply enough pressure during lock up.  I change my Glock 29 to the Wolff Gun Springs brand of non-captive dual spring RSA with an assortment of recoil springs and it has performed fantastic with the 21lb set of springs, even at Underwood level ammo.

In studying the gen-4 situation it seems that they too are not getting enough lock-up pressure from the stock captive RSA to insure positive lockup for the duration of the higher impulse ammo.  These guns have a good deal of mass in their slides which is the main thing to their design.  The lower impulse commercial ammo will run OK with the factory RSA.

These guns work with the amount of dwell time the slide and barrel remain locked, the stronger non-captive RSA may help to control this to a point!  The semiautos are very dynamic with respect to their performance.  Tuning them takes time and experimentation, this can get costly with ammo cost and parts as you seek the solution to get things the way you want.

Good luck in your decisions and if you find solutions be sure to let those who seek answers know what works. 

[mt10mm]

The gen4 I owned gave me problem after problem, started many posts about it.  I sold it and bought a 3rd gen SF. I am running 24lbs spring and things have been a lot better. I too have thought about after-market barrel but I do not reload so didn't feel there was much point to it.

Keep us posted!

[The_Shadow]

MT10mm, there are some trade-offs to using that heavy recoil springs which I'm sure you have noted.  That being it is tougher to rack your slide...if you are using this as a carry pistol for self defense it can pose issues clearing a jam, stovepipe or other.

Some of the recoil spring makers do preach about this as a warning.  Finding that balance of ammo performance and the correct spring combination make it worthwhile.