A year later VLTOR Bren Ten

[EdMc]

I'm afraid the simple fact is that WE would like to see more products offered, but WE ain't very many.

By ATF stats for 2011 ~2.5 mil pistols, ~700k above 9mm to .50 cal. Around 35%.....Take out the number of .40 and .45's from that and......

[sqlbullet]

Unfortunately still a boutique round.

[The_Shadow]

I would be tempted for a matching  Ruger SR 1911 10mm and 10mm semiauto carbine like the Deerslayer 44mag's carbines.

[alwaysshootin]

I'm afraid the simple fact is that WE would like to see more products offered, but WE ain't very many.

By ATF stats for 2011 ~2.5 mil pistols, ~700k above 9mm to .50 cal. Around 35%.....Take out the number of .40 and .45's from that and......

Really wish "WE" weren't such kitty cats!!!

[alwaysshootin]

I would be tempted for a matching  Ruger SR 1911 10mm and 10mm semiauto carbine like the Deerslayer 44mag's carbines.

Have you owned a Ruger Deerfield? I did! More to hate about that rifle, than not.

1. Lead bullets could not be fired through it
2. Only full powered loads would cycle the action
3. Stock dimensions are identical to the 10/22 in length of pull (ie, built for a 12 year old)
4. Absolutely, positively, no after market support, of any kind
   A. No aftermarket magazines. 4 rounders is it, and they are $30+
   B. No aftermarket stocks ( I just love being down on a rifle, with a stock that doesn't fit, and only shoots the hottest of loads) kicks like a H&R Topper 12 guage. After the second mag, the thrill is gone!

[sqlbullet]

I have a friend who has a Deerfield carbine and I have had my share of trigger time on it.  I thought it seemed like a fun gun.  In some locale's there are magazine capacity limits even for deer hunting.  For plinking I would want a higher capacity, but for target shooting or paper, the four round seemed fine.

Several guys at cast boolits report their guns run fine with 240-250 grain gas checked hard cast.  They suggest starting with 17.0 grains of 2400 and working up.

I have run at least 1000 rounds of cast bullets through my M1 Garands and have never seen lead in the gas system.

I am not doubting your experiences with the platform, just saying there are other reports of success.  Each gun is different.

[alwaysshootin]

Using gas checks is a whole nother  ball game, and sure it will do fine. For now, I don't use GC's. I'm sure sending any firearm back to the manufacture is a not good time, but, I can assure you the time, and money, I spent sending a handgun back to Ruger was not.  Would not want to have to send one of their rifles back.

   Bought mine, with the hopes of Ohio, allowing rifles to be used, that shoot handgun rounds. They never happened, and, I held on to it for years, with anticipation.  That day has never came, so it had to go. I have two 44 pistols to feed, don't need another hungry mouth, that only feeds on expensive rounds.

[sqlbullet]

Yes...Gas checks to change the game.

And I never want to recommend something to a friend that isn't solid.  I love my full size witness and it has been a good gun for me, but I always recommend the Elite series.  You don't hear much bad about them.

Back to the topic, I would still love to see VLTOR get on with it, but I am not going to spend time trying to follow them anymore.  If one shows up when I have money, great.

[REDLINE]

Unfortunately still a boutique round.

I don't know that I would really call the 10mm a boutique cartridge anymore.  Yea, I understand where it stands compared to 9, 40, and 45.  But compared to 9, 40, and 45, neither the 357 SIG or 357 Magnum hardly exist either.  I guess it's all what you compare it to.  I for one don't count what Military and LE choose in the mix (not that you said you did).  I believe the 10mm has more followers than you think.

I see boutique as rounds like 9x25 Dillon, 32 H&R Magnum, 327 Federal, 400 Corbon,..........10mm is waaaaaaay more popular than a whole lot of other rounds availble right now, and still growing enthusiastically in my view.

[sqlbullet]

Maybe we classify boutique differently

I use that term for any round I can't find at a local general purpose store that happens to sell ammo.  Usually that store is wal-mart these days, but most kmarts fit the category as well.

I only see 10mm at stores that specialize in guns, namely local gun shops, Sportsman's Warehouse and Cabela's.  Since I only see it in specialty shops, I classify it as a boutique round.

I agree, it is on the cusp of more.  Compared to many cartridges it has far more popularity.

But 'til I see it in most Walmart's it is still boutiquey to me. 

[Vice]

I wonder if the Bren Ten would even still have a place as a useful modern 10mm pistol? They are pretty cool, but the design seems rather dated now. The seem overly large and bulky, with a high bore axis.

A comment such as this tells me that you never shot one. 

[REDLINE]

Maybe we classify boutique differently

I use that term for any round I can't find at a local general purpose store that happens to sell ammo.  Usually that store is wal-mart these days, but most kmarts fit the category as well.

I only see 10mm at stores that specialize in guns, namely local gun shops, Sportsman's Warehouse and Cabela's.  Since I only see it in specialty shops, I classify it as a boutique round.

I agree, it is on the cusp of more.  Compared to many cartridges it has far more popularity.

But 'til I see it in most Walmart's it is still boutiquey to me.

Going by the difinition of boutique I can't argue that.  I guess my point is more along the lines of; boutique or not doesn't make something rare which was the way I first took it you were going with it.