And So It Begins

Mr. AR50 · December 30 2013 03:08:16 PM MST

http://mmn.minutemennews.com/ga/click/2-9002399-30-7730-14992-200505-2bb784c701-da5a9c4318

Not sure if I got the link right, but the gist of it is that, starting January 2014, the DHS will start to phase in a national ID card system, to be fully implemented by 2017, which will require that anyone traveling within the United States of America must produce a Federal ID card as mandated by DHS. The idea is to eliminate, as much as possible, the use of various forms of phony identification for criminal intent(ie. terrorism). 13 of the 50 states currently meet the DHS requirements for implementation, including Colorado (lucky me!). I'm not sure what info will be contained on the card, but I'll bet CCW permits are at the top of the list.
One final note: If I understand correctly, travel within the U.S., from one state to another, will not be allowed without the DHS ID card, regardless of the means of transportation.

sqlbullet · December 30 2013 04:01:20 PM MST

I think there is a little hyperbole at play here. I seriously doubt any restriction on the movement of a US citizen within the US would be disrupted without signficant legal challenge.

But that said, there is a serious problem represented here. One of the cornerstones of a free society is the ability to maintain anonymity if desired. Therein lies one of the problems with the whole concept of a drivers license, let alone concealed carry. Or social security. The basis of controlling the masses lies first in individually identifying them, then binding the necessities of life to proving that identity on request.

Mr. AR50 · December 30 2013 04:45:11 PM MST

Exactly, sqlbullet. Also, who knows how other federal agencies/ programs could eventually be brought into play. No ID card, no interstate travel. No card, no food. No card, no guns/ammo, etc. I know that I'm reaching pretty far out there, but I believe forced conformity is just around the corner.

cmemiss · December 30 2013 09:56:55 PM MST

Doesn't anyone here ever check Snopes before posting. The one grain of truth in this is that everyone will have to produce ID before issuing a DL.

Steve4102 · December 31 2013 01:38:09 AM MST

Quote from: cmemiss on December 30 2013 09:56:55 PM MST
Doesn't anyone here ever check Snopes before posting. The one grain of truth in this is that everyone will have to produce ID before issuing a DL.

Snopes has been discredited numerous time with all things political. It is just a left over hippy couple living in CA. They have been known to put a left wing slant on their so called "truths".

Mr. AR50 · December 31 2013 01:54:12 AM MST

Cmemiss, you're right, I didn't check Snopes before posting. I went to the DHS website to confirm/contradict the info that was emailed to me. I'm guilty as charged. Granted, their website is vague, and says nothing about travel restrictions, but they do mention 'enforced compliance' several times. I wonder what that means? Really, is it any wonder that people like myself are suspicious of this administration, and in particular, this President, who has shown, time and time again, his total disregard for our Constitution. I don't trust this traitor, or any of his agencies, any farther than I could throw them.
Remember 'If your happy with your current health care plan, you can keep it.' ${$default_wink_smiley}$
Same BS, different application. $:-\$

End of rant. ${$default_grin_smiley}$

sqlbullet · December 31 2013 10:05:24 AM MST

I did check snopes. Specifically the banned interstate travel is very questionable.

But, the REAL ID act is valid. Utah participates now.

Funny story. Once Utah implemented their REAL ID compliance, I needed to provide a birth certificate as part of my identity verification to renew my Utah license. I didn't have a copy of my birth certificate. Needed one from Texas. Guess what Texas used to verify my ID to release a birth certificate to me? Yep, the very Utah DL that Utah no longer considered good enough. Circular.

cmemiss · December 31 2013 09:31:54 PM MST

SQL, no one said it had to make sense, enforced compliance in all probability is a fine.

pacapcop · January 02 2014 06:30:32 PM MST

If a citizen can be denied his/her constitutional right to due process thru NDAA, Patriot Act and be branded a belligerent, why would this be any different. Laws go into effect to be used, even if not utilized at the moment. They are created for upcoming use.

Zephyr · January 02 2014 07:14:06 PM MST

Quote from: pacapcop on January 02 2014 06:30:32 PM MST
If a citizen can be denied his/her constitutional right to due process thru NDAA, Patriot Act and be branded a belligerent, why would this be any different. Laws go into effect to be used, even if not utilized at the moment. They are created for upcoming use.

I would imagine in the near future this card would be useful to 'track an individual's movements' within the continental United States, and it's possessions. Especially, if it had to be presented at accommodations, or on demand for official business, and scanned at authorized check-points. The move toward a totally 'cashless society' would also help further this endeavor. Personally, I have reservations about 'benign surveillance' in totality. Your ability to 'fall-off' the grid will become challenging, to say the least, if necessity called for it.