New Powder Hodgdon's CFE Pistol

[The_Shadow]

Spkrdctr, I understand your frustration, but the demands are slowing down somewhat...to have them build new plants, just to shut them down as demands drops, would also increase prices of the products.  Things will get better and better soon and already getting better, but as for now, people are buying for the quick turn into a profit purchases, impulse buying, stock piling and panic buys along with those who would normally need supplies.

Add to that many many new shooters and consumers to the marketplace, all scrambling to get supplies, "O"Communist is the best Gun salesman ever!  Worst President ever for America's freedoms!

[sstewart]

Chemical plants are not quick to build and are not very cheap either

[The_Shadow]

Not to mention the burden sum over regulations of the chemicals and facilities...

[attrapereves]

Not to mention the burden sum over regulations of the chemicals and facilities...

Might explain why most powder is produced in Europe. Far too many regulations in the US.

[The_Shadow]

A while back there was an explosion at a plant Belgium...http://bearingarms.com/will-a-belgian-gunpowder-plant-explosion-affect-the-u-s-ammo-market/

Maybe why we don't see as much Accurate Arms Powder 

[Yondering]

The shortage is better for the industry overall; follow the money. (I said industry, not consumers!) A shortage makes people buy stuff they wouldn't normally buy, at higher prices than they'd normally pay.

Who here wouldn't buy a brick of .22 bulk ammo for $20 if you found it, even if you didn't need it? Compare that to a couple years ago, I'd see bricks on the shelf for $12 and walk past, thinking "nah, don't need any more today".

[Geeman]

As a manufacturer, you just cannot just build plants to satisfy temporary shortages.  That can only be done when you can demonstrate long term demand that will make it a wise investment.  I believe all our ammo/powder/primer producers have increased production, and done so in the face of more and more red tape and uncertainty from government agencies.

I'm speaking of myself here, and I may or may not be typical.  I used to buy 1 lb containers of powder.  I now buy 4 & 8 pounders because its not assured I'll be able to find it if I run out.  Heck, I get twitchy when I'm down to 1 pound left now days.  Same goes for primers, bullets, brass....  I have maybe 15,000 upscale 22LR on the shelf too.  I haven't over paid on anything, but I can shoot when I want.  If everyone is similar to me, alot of the shortage is on our shelves as saftey stock.  I suppose you can call me a hoarder, but that is what panic buying is all about.  You have to fill your needs when the opportunity presents itself instead of when its truely needed.

It will get back to normal, at least I hope so.  We will see what happens when the next president hits office.  We'll see how many mass shootings happen in gun free zones.  We'll see how the regulatory agencies ban lead, or other chemical compounds necessary to make our products.  That makes for great fodder for the scalpers to drive up black market prices, but I don't buy from them.  I made a list and check it twice, if they took advantage of their customers by doubling their prices or worse, I'll pay a bit more to buy from those that maintained their moral business practices.

Greg

[blastfact]

As a manufacturer, you just cannot just build plants to satisfy temporary shortages.  That can only be done when you can demonstrate long term demand that will make it a wise investment.  I believe all our ammo/powder/primer producers have increased production, and done so in the face of more and more red tape and uncertainty from government agencies.

I'm speaking of myself here, and I may or may not be typical.  I used to buy 1 lb containers of powder.  I now buy 4 & 8 pounders because its not assured I'll be able to find it if I run out.  Heck, I get twitchy when I'm down to 1 pound left now days.  Same goes for primers, bullets, brass....  I have maybe 15,000 upscale 22LR on the shelf too.  I haven't over paid on anything, but I can shoot when I want.  If everyone is similar to me, alot of the shortage is on our shelves as saftey stock.  I suppose you can call me a hoarder, but that is what panic buying is all about.  You have to fill your needs when the opportunity presents itself instead of when its truely needed.

It will get back to normal, at least I hope so.  We will see what happens when the next president hits office.  We'll see how many mass shootings happen in gun free zones.  We'll see how the regulatory agencies ban lead, or other chemical compounds necessary to make our products.  That makes for great fodder for the scalpers to drive up black market prices, but I don't buy from them.  I made a list and check it twice, if they took advantage of their customers by doubling their prices or worse, I'll pay a bit more to buy from those that maintained their moral business practices.

Greg

Fact remains we don't produce crap in America anymore for what ever stupid reasons the over educated bean counters and cloak and dagger investors think they are entitled to. As a poor investor and researcher all of consumer powder is made off shore. Or in Canada. It's insane. I work with several US arsenals and ammo plants. It seems the only thing we make are high explosives. And over priced ordnance. China makes the electronics the UK, Canada and Australia makes our small arms powder. What in the hell is wrong with that picture?

We really have turned into a lazy and greedy lot in America. And then wonder why.

[Geeman]

Unfriendly business climate 'round here?

Business is evil mentality?

Regulation nation?

Plus I can get paid for doing nut'n welfare, and I'm entitled to everything so give it to me or I'll take it.

Greg

[attrapereves]

Has anyone chrono'd this stuff in 10mm? I tested it in 9mm and 45ACP and got the velocities I wanted (comparable to factory range ammo).

I just picked up an 8lb jug of it from Graf's as I already shot through my 1lb I originally bought.

[The_Shadow]

I have some testing rounds loaded, but trying to get to the range to run them over the chrony. 

[attrapereves]

If I could get 1150-1200fps with 180gr out of my Glock 20, I'd be happy.

[PandaBear]

I just picked up a tub of this stuff at the gun range. Had to log on here to view this thread to make sure it would work for 10mm. Now that I have powder, I have a reason to order the rest of my reloading setup. Looking forward to hearing the results.

[The_Shadow]

Tested the 10mm with CFE Pistol Powder today with the following
135 grain HST over 10.2 grains CFE Pistol seated to 1.2500"
CCI 350 primer Star*-*Line Brass (used but pass-through reconditioned)
Velocity 1672 fps from the Glock 20 factory barrel, Wolff non captive recoil rod & 22lb spring.  Max case expansion is 0.4325"
Hodgdon shows 1551 fps in the book...

I'll have to test more for consistency, but I was impressed with this loading performance, pressures were easy on the brass, powder burned cleanly. 

[REDLINE]

Velocity 1672 fps from the Glock 20...

I'm impressed.  Any insight you can add regarding muzzle blast/flash?