New Powder Hodgdon's CFE Pistol

[REDLINE]

Velocity 1672 fps from the Glock 20...

I'm impressed.  Any insight you can add regarding muzzle blast/flash?

[attrapereves]

Sounds good. I'm going to test out CFE with 180gr pills. I'd like to get 1150-1200fps for range ammo.

[spindrift]

Has anyone chrono'd this stuff in 10mm? I tested it in 9mm and 45ACP and got the velocities I wanted (comparable to factory range ammo).

I just picked up an 8lb jug of it from Graf's as I already shot through my 1lb I originally bought.

7.6 gn  produced 1225 fps with 180 cast in Glock 20 10mm.

[halfglocked]

I had seen the CFE  powder at local gun shop for 20.99 a pound and Iam still kicking.myself for not buying it, because they haven't had any pistol powder at all since and luckily I found 1 # of longshot and I have been experimenting with 180 grn  projectiles now I wish I could find a powder to use 155 grn projecttiles.

[The_Shadow]

LongShot Works with the 155 grain too...Georgia Arms uses 9.6 under the Gold Dots @ 1375
http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/georgia-arms-155gr-180-speer-gdjhpp-pull-downs/

[fasteddie565]

I'd like to make a coment on the video. The real question that needs to be asked is NOT the worn out "why can't I find powder", but why in the last 5 years that powder has been unavailable, haven't you built a new building and doubled your manufacturing base? Him stating that 2014 and 15 will be more of the same is a VERY lame statement. I just can't believe that the ammo component manufacturers have not stepped up and really increased production with new facilities. They are the most unwillling group to satisfy their customer demand I can think of. Any other market and it would be flooded with new production by now, after all they have had YEARS to build new plants. If I didn't enjoy shooting so much I would boycott the industry for the lack of supply and the willingness of them to let their sonxumer get gouged by the local dealers for years by marking up prices sky high. The NRA (I'm a life member) hasn't dealt with the subject. It has been swept under the rug. In the meantime we get ripped off by local dealers and online dealers while the manufactures turn a blind eye to the whole thing.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but if I went to the Shot Show I'd go off on every single one of them as they are helping to kill off  new shooters by making it too expensive to shoot. OK, I will stop ranting now, but I know you guys understand what I'm trying to say.

New to the forum but not to shooting or the shooting business.....

I will also predicate my statement with the fact that I too am frustrated over the lack of components.

There are a lot of factors in growing a firearms related business. Having spent a few years trying to find money to back the growth of one of the best AR platform builders, (over $5 million in back orders) conventional money is not available due to the gun "drama" in the media and the often times "Great at making my product, not so good at managing a business".

This leaves us with venture capitalists and other financial vultures.  They are not looking for the pure business interest, they seek the quick kill large profit, such as having access to patents that they can sell overseas or in other markets, pending law suits or other areas of a company that offer a quick profit with little or no concern for the running of the main business.  In short, most firearms related business owners are also shooters, care about the business and the industry and refuse to participate.  It also takes money to expand a business.  What happens in a year or two when the business stabilizes and you have 2 million X capacity and now only  1 million X demand and cannot pay the note?  Yes, I understand business is all about risk.

Another factor that I have less experience with is the EPA and the environmental aspects of building a plant that uses volatile / hazardous chemicals. While many powders are made OCONUS, global warning and other environmental concerns make it harder to expand their footprint.

Growing a business is hard enough, growing a business that is controversial makes it even harder.