Underwood 220gr Hardcast (New Load)

Geeman · February 01 2014 03:19:07 PM MST

Quote from: Intercooler on February 01 2014 09:56:04 AM MST
EAA Limited 4.75" 1195, 1195, 1191, 1194, 1190, 1195. Average = 1193.3 FPS/ 696 LBS

Wow. 5 FPS spread. Sweet!!! Too bad I have a Gen4, so I don't think its worth the gamble with feeding.

Greg

Intercooler · February 01 2014 03:24:15 PM MST

The three pieces of brass from the 1239 FPS load measured .432", .432" and the one ramp bulge was .437".

Today's brass measurements at the reduced load:

EAA Limited 4.75" .431", .431", .432".
Hunter 6" .432", .432"

The brass looks better and the measurements don't vary much from the 180gr TMJ's.

The_Shadow · February 01 2014 03:40:11 PM MST

Quote from: MT10mm on February 01 2014 09:57:05 AM MST
Went out and fired 45rds, 15rds UW 220HC, 15rds UW 200TMJ and 15rds DT 200-HC

--I had the same issues with the 220 ammo, some would not feed and some would not eject but no over pressure signs. I did have slight smiles but nothing like before.

--I had 1 FTF with the 200 DT No pressure signs and no smiles

--No issues with the 15rds of UW 200TMJ. No pressure signs and no smiles.

Think I will stick to the 200 TMJ and 200 DT HC for woods carry.

All rds were fired with factory barrel and 22lb recoil spring.

I have to wonder if the lock up of the slide lock - to the barrel fit, if is part of your issue...early unlocking.
Then there is the extractor, is it not holding the case to fully extract it...

Just trying to help narrow down what causes and how they are related to the issues.

Intercooler, The brass looks better and velocities are where more stable.

Intercooler · February 01 2014 03:44:49 PM MST

I agree and know Kevin will be happy with it. My opinion is they can all stay exactly where they are now regardless of something freaky happening with one firearm.

mt10mm · February 01 2014 03:57:42 PM MST

Quote from: Intercooler on February 01 2014 03:44:49 PM MST
I agree and know Kevin will be happy with it. My opinion is they can all stay exactly where they are now regardless of something freaky happening with one firearm.

I agree, no reason to change things for one or two finicky weapons.

4949shooter · February 01 2014 04:11:30 PM MST

I am glad Kevin accepted our feedback. If nothing changes I will try these out in a few months when the LW barrel comes in. They are backordered to May 30th.

Intercooler · February 01 2014 04:29:03 PM MST

It's much easier to talk to these guys! Just look at Winchester, etc... ${$default_shocked_smiley}$

4949shooter · February 01 2014 04:34:21 PM MST

Right! You made some good headway with PPU. I was surprised the Serbs listened at all.

Geeman · February 01 2014 05:00:01 PM MST

Quote from: 4949shooter on February 01 2014 04:34:21 PM MST
Right! You made some good headway with PPU. I was surprised the Serbs listened at all.

Good thing they didn't listen too well. Head seperations aren't too cool.

Greg

4949shooter · February 01 2014 05:05:23 PM MST

Yeah I didn't think about that. I am not sure how common the issue is, but it is something to consider with the seemingly softer brass they use.

Intercooler · February 02 2014 02:52:46 AM MST

Was the head seperation on a reload? Raggedyman loaded to real 10mm velocity and no issue.

Geeman · February 02 2014 09:01:18 AM MST

It was a reload. Midway showed the benefit of reloadable brass, which I read as SAMMI pressures. That was a big no-go in a G20 in my case. There is negative feedback on that issue in Midway's site about the "reloadable" claim.

I wouldn't recommend stout reloads with PPU brass. I won't recommend any reload as far as me personally.

Heck, I have three full boxes and the remnants of the original first box that are untouched. I just don't trust the quality and its not worth another gun frame to me.

Greg

mt10mm · February 02 2014 09:16:23 PM MST

Some good news after Denver got blown out

"Hi Tom,

Yes, we are going to offer both of those for customers. We are getting some 10mm brass this week and working on the development in the background. We'll load out our V-Supreme line and normal 10mm this time. Then the next time we have brass, we'll offer the hardcast, XTP, and a 135gr Nosler.

Regards,

Anthony Mowry
Parabellum Research, LLC
P.O. Box 163
Buda, Texas 78610
(512) 576-4595
www.pbrammo.com

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Thanks for offering us 10mm shooters some fine ammo. Have you thought about offering the Beartooth 200gr Hardcast and a 200gr XTP load? I feel you would not be able to load it fast enough for the demand it will have. Thanks for your time

TheOtherMike · February 17 2014 01:58:14 PM MST

I've been following this thread and http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1514043&page=4 with much interest.

I have a stock G20SF (less than 1yr old) and have fired several of the UW and BB offerings without issue. I also picked up 3 boxes of the UW 220HC back in the fall before the downgrade.

I have a 20lb. RSA ready to go and a KKM 6" on the way. But now I am not sure if I should attempt to try the 220HC.

Should I try it?

Which barrel & RSA would be best / safest?

4949shooter · February 17 2014 02:04:49 PM MST

You *should* be good with the KKM barrel. I like the 22 pound RSA for the heavy stuff, which works best in my personal G20.

I don't know if Kevin would exchange then for the new load? Either that, or someone here may take them off your hands if you don't want to shoot them.