Gelatin test results

[Raggedyman]

[Intercooler]

I'm wondering if another 100 FPS changes the Denim results?

[Centimeter]

I'm wondering if another 100 FPS changes the Denim results?

I would think that it would, especially with the very modest beginning of expansion we saw at the impact velocity. Some bullets just need that extra "oomph" to fully expand, especially through the denim, so when a manufacturer doesn't quite hit their velocity target the bullets fail to fully expand. I'd be willing to bet that if the velocity was cranked up another 7-10% it would definitely encourage the hollow point to open up, even through denim. It just takes the right amount of "persuasion." I hate to see a lack-luster test for a new product like these or the Gold Dot G2.

[Intercooler]

Does the lead look black on the one that didn't expand?

I can send a couple more if you want to try a longer barrel.

[Raggedyman]

The lead does not look black. Buffman got about 140 fps faster with a 4.9" barrel and got good expansion in meat with denim.

[Intercooler]

Yea. I think this one wouldn't be a good round for the shorter barrels. It needs a little more speed!

[Rojo27]

Link to gel test by tnoutdoors9 of the 9mm Lehigh extreme penetrator. (Hopefully someone fix the link to make it run from webpage)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYLbmSp5itA

[Raggedyman]

Underwood 115 gr Lehigh Extreme Penetrator solid copper projectile fired from Glock 22 with Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel into calibrated 10% gelatin.

BB: 585.3 fps, 3.3"

Impact velocity: 1,289 fps
Penetration: ~30" of gelatin & 2.5 feet
of water
Retained weight: 115.0 gr

No expansion.


For comparison, we took a look at some cheap 9mm ball. The cheapest I could find was S&B 115 gr FMJ. It was almost exactly 100 fps slower and penetrated quite a bit less. I expected lower velocity and less penetration but not to that degree. It was also surprising to see that plain, vanilla FMJ produced more tissue disruption than the vaunted Extreme Penetrator.

On my way out to test, I looked at my phone and saw that tnoutdoors9 had posted a video testing the very thing I was about to do. I was not thrilled, especially since he does such great work. It turns out that my test was a little different than his anyway.

[The_Shadow]

I still see a lot of hype and price!    If you were in a state that only allows non lead bullets you may have to utilize either a penetrator or high expansion 100% copper projectile.  But I would consider the Barnes Tac-XP.

However I still like the Cast HP's for being very affordable performance. 


Thanks again RaggedyMan!   

[Raggedyman]

I agree on all counts. Thank you for watching.

[my_old_glock]

I still see a lot of hype and price!   If you were in a state that only allows non lead bullets you may have to utilize either a penetrator or high expansion 100% copper projectile.  But I would consider the Barnes Tac-XP.

$30+ for 20 rounds (from Lehigh or Underwood) 






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[Rojo27]

At this point seen several test of this projectile.....
Andrew's previous test in the 10mm wasn't terrible.  I thought it performed good enough to be a viable option against hog.     

As Andrew stated, his 9mm test result seemed somewhat unimpressive. I'd rate tnoutdoors9 results in this caliber as decent to fair.  Although both 9mm tests seemed to indicate that unless hit in CNS just about any animal struck with this projectile in 9mm is in for a loooooong, slow death (maybe).

gunblast tested it in 44 mag with results that "seemed" impressive. 
twangandbang did test in 357 mag (short nose) & 45 colt that also "seemed" to indicate impressive results.
Several others have tested it in 380 with decent results.

Bottom line at this point: not quite sure what the hell to make of it.  Obviously, the faster its pushed the better it does (cavitation).  But at price point; don't really see anything it gives over hard cast with decent meplat for much less $.     

   

[Raggedyman]

[Raggedyman]

At this point seen several test of this projectile.....
Andrew's previous test in the 10mm wasn't terrible.  I thought it performed good enough to be a viable option against hog.     

As Andrew stated, his 9mm test result seemed somewhat unimpressive. I'd rate tnoutdoors9 results in this caliber as decent to fair.  Although both 9mm tests seemed to indicate that unless hit in CNS just about any animal struck with this projectile in 9mm is in for a loooooong, slow death (maybe).

gunblast tested it in 44 mag with results that "seemed" impressive. 
twangandbang did test in 357 mag (short nose) & 45 colt that also "seemed" to indicate impressive results.
Several others have tested it in 380 with decent results.

Bottom line at this point: not quite sure what the hell to make of it.  Obviously, the faster its pushed the better it does (cavitation).  But at price point; don't really see anything it gives over hard cast with decent meplat for much less $.     

I definitely agree with your last statement. I wrote an article about it which should publish soon on the homedefensegun.net

[Intercooler]