My experience with the 10mm EAA Witness polymer frame

sqlbullet · December 12 2013 09:48:29 AM MST

Both my witness guns are quite accurate. 1" at 25 yards (rest) if I do my part, and that is with run of the mill ammo. Dialing in with a handload like I do for rifles would probably half that.

The biggest challenge I have is trigger over-travel on the full-size. The Match is adjustable and is nice and tight with no over-travel. But the full-size runs another 1/8" after the hammer starts falling. If my technique isn't perfect with each squeeze it affects the shot.

I keep meaning to drill and tap the trigger for a set screw, but haven't gotten a to it.

Raggedyman · December 12 2013 10:05:56 AM MST

That's probably a big part of it in my case, too. The Smith, like most revolvers and every S&W I've ever shot, has a great trigger. My Witness has lots of creep and over travel. I also still anticipate the recoil and pull a shot occasionally with the Witness because I'm less used to it, despite the S&W also having relatively stout recoil.

With 1" at 25 yards, that ought to be about 4 MOA if the bullets stayed stable and didn't get pushed around by other factors. That's pretty damned good. Lots of folks can't shoot a rifle under 4 MOA and even some rifles have a hard time keeping up with that standard (*cough* Mini-14 *cough*). 4 MOA is a practical marksmanship standard that, if you can do it consistently from field positions, means you ought to be able to hit a man sized target out to 500 yards. Have you ever attended an Appleseed event?

475/480 · December 12 2013 01:26:45 PM MST

Not to highjack the thread BUT ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$ Any suggestion as to where I can find a Stock II 10MM?

Sean

sqlbullet · December 12 2013 02:12:00 PM MST

I would watch gunbroker pretty carefully. One will pop up. Tends to be feast or famine with EAA products though.

Quote from: Raggedyman on December 12 2013 10:05:56 AM MST
Have you ever attended an Appleseed event?

I have meant to but never have. There is one regularly about 20 minutes north of me on a 22 LR only range. My only 22 LR at present is a single shot, and I don't know that I would be competitive in the rapid fire parts with a single shot.

They are a great group to learn quality marksmanship from however.

Raggedyman · December 12 2013 09:29:37 PM MST

They usually have a couple loaner LTRs. Call and ask.

Dave84 · January 26 2014 09:46:38 PM MST

Just found a crack on my fullsize wonder finish slide. Pretty disappointed, I've heard these things were kind of sensitive so I've never put underwood through it. Just Blazer and Remington.

pacapcop · January 27 2014 02:50:08 AM MST

Where was the crack located? Sq slide or rounded? What pound spring.

Intercooler · January 27 2014 02:42:10 PM MST

You can send it back to EAA to be swapped out. When you get it back put a Sprinco setup in it. That's exactly what I would do if I owned one.

Dave84 · January 27 2014 06:08:49 PM MST

Quote from: Intercooler on January 27 2014 02:42:10 PM MST
You can send it back to EAA to be swapped out. When you get it back put a Sprinco setup in it. That's exactly what I would do if I owned one.

Going to locate my receipt and get it sent off as soon as I find it. I'll have to look into sprinco. I'm going to ask if I can get a squared slide.

Dave84 · January 27 2014 06:36:34 PM MST

Quote from: pacapcop on January 27 2014 02:50:08 AM MST
Where was the crack located? Sq slide or rounded? What pound spring.

Rounded slide with stock spring. I own a 22 lb spring but it is not reliable. Crack is upper side of ejection port. Tried to upload a pic but it says the file is too large.

pacapcop · January 27 2014 07:12:48 PM MST

Dave84. Send the entire pistol back in present condition. Respectfully request a full consideration of a REPLACEMENT of firearm as per your experience as a buyer. You request a sq slide, and reconsideration and check of barrel. This is based on your receipt of purchase as well. Not acceptable in it's current form. State no bullets were +P or extreme and that said pistol is not worthy. The newer models are up to snuff at least in full size. Good Luck.

Dave84 · January 28 2014 09:01:11 PM MST

Thank you.

Dave84 · January 28 2014 10:48:02 PM MST

Intercooler, I'm really tempted to see if I can just pay the difference for the Match. Sounds like you had one at one point. What'd you think of it? Are the other two you own way better for the extra money?

Intercooler · January 29 2014 03:50:57 AM MST

The Match is the best bang for the buck out there period. I still miss mine and no the others aren't really a cut above in what they do. The Limited has more bells and whistles, but it's almost 2X the cost of the Match. The Match frame is the heaviest of the bunch and especially the new style railed units. I'm waiting to see if the new Xtreme Match shows up later this year or if a non-railed old style Match with the Bomar rear sight surfaces. If you can upgrade to the Match do it!

Dave84 · January 29 2014 09:07:49 PM MST

Dang, they wont do it. This is what the guy I was talking to said to me: "No sir we do not do exchanges . We will correct all the problems with your pistol."

I wonder if I offered him the difference for the hunter. This regular one is only going to break again. I didn't even shoot underwood because I already heard these were very sensitive.