What is your 10mm hunting rig?

[hillbillyhans]

Sounds good to me man! I want to do this as well, when I go home to see my folks.

[justin10mm]

My rig is a mostly stock (night sights) Glock 20. I just got a CT Railmaster laser for it and can't wait to try it out on some hogs and varmints this year.

[hillbillyhans]

Nice cat! Where do you live? How far was the shot? Dogs? What ammo did you use?

[justin10mm]

This particular Texas cat was caught with a leg hold trap and dispatched from about 15 yards. Ammo was CCI 200gr. Blazer TMJ. A load I have found works surprisingly well on critters, better than any other FMJ load I have tried anyway.   

[Yondering]

You aren't intentionally using FMJ for hunting, are you? I hope you'll choose a better bullet this season.

[justin10mm]

You aren't intentionally using FMJ for hunting, are you? I hope you'll choose a better bullet this season.

You know you are right. They really suck.

[Yondering]

You aren't intentionally using FMJ for hunting, are you? I hope you'll choose a better bullet this season.

You know you are right. They really suck.

Seriously, you should consider more appropriate bullets if you're going for larger game as you indicated above. Just because FMJ works on snakes and foxes (where a 22 LR would work just as well) doesn't mean they are good for big game like deer and hogs. As a hunter, I believe you owe it to the animal you're hunting to make a quick kill as best you can.

Besides, why wouldn't you choose something better than FMJ?

[hillbillyhans]

^agreed.

I have smoked yotes out to 100yds with my G19 115gr. FMJ's.

[justin10mm]

Why do you think hard cast bullets work so well at killing? Its surely not because they expand.

It is the large flat nosed profile with sharp shoulders that rip flesh and cut arteries. A copper jacked flat nose does just as good a job at this as a hard cast lead bullet of the same profile. If you notice, 200gr. Blazers have a fairly large flat point with relatively sharp shoulders. In my experience they dispatch small game and varmints well enough. Would I intentionally use this load for big game? Probably not because the velocity is on the mild side although they would work in a pinch.



On a side note this reminded me of an episode I saw of I think Alaskan State Troopers or something similar. They went on a call about a man that shot and killed two moose in his yard that were attacking his dog. They showed the gun he used, a Glock 20, and loaded in the magazine were aluminum cased Blazers!           

[hillbillyhans]

I'll stick with my XTP's for large game. But for stinky old yotes, I don't feel bad about shooting them in their guts with JHP.

[Yondering]

It is the large flat nosed profile with sharp shoulders that rip flesh and cut arteries. A copper jacked flat nose does just as good a job at this as a hard cast lead bullet of the same profile.

No, FMJ does not do just as good a job as a hard cast lead bullet. You're fooling yourself if you think so. Have you ever done any testing and recovered the bullets? I am a big fan of hard cast flat nose bullets, but not FMJ.

You also don't understand why hard cast flat nose bullets work. They don't "rip flesh and cut arteries". The flat nose (which does not deform on impact, as a FMJ does) creates a lateral or radial pressure that does some tissue damage, and it punches out a deep round hole along the bullets path. FMJ's have more tendency to slip through, without causing as much damage.

The pictures in post #25 of this thread might help you visualize what happens: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1407573

[sqlbullet]

What Yondering said.

Also, hard-cast lead in hunting terms usually means 16:1 or 20:1 or 50/50 WW/Pure lead.  All of these are going to have a BHN in the neighborhood of 9-12, and all of them will be quite malleable.  At hunting velocities, these bullets with a wide metplat will expand a little, and penetrate very deep.

[justin10mm]

If holding bullets under a stream of water is the extent of your field experience with hunting bullets you are fooling your self.

All I know for sure is what I have experienced first hand in the field with living breathing targets. What I know is Blazer flat nose TMJs kill quicker than other 10mm FMJ rounded nose bullets I have used. You can draw your own conclusions about why that is.   

[Yondering]

What I know is Blazer flat nose TMJs kill quicker than other 10mm FMJ rounded nose bullets I have used.

No kidding? Where did you find round nose 10mm FMJ anyway?

Once again, why are you using FMJ for hunting?

You obviously missed the point with the pictures. I thought maybe a visual demonstration would be helpful.

[justin10mm]

Once again, why are you using FMJ for hunting?

Because they are cheap, they are accurate in my gun, they work well and most of all because I can.

I didn't miss the pics, they were very informative. If I ever start hunting kitchen sinks I'll refer back to them.