Motorcycle gang attack. What would you have done?

[sqlbullet]

What would I have done?  Stayed away from New York 

I wasn't there.

Based on the facts the article presented here is what I understand happened.

A motorcylist in the group cut off the SUV and brake checked  the SUV (0:12).  The SUV contacts the cylist at this time.

Not seen on the video:  The article states that at this point the cyclists became aggressive, banging on the SUV with helmets and demanding the driver exit the vehicle, as well as threatening to slash tires.  At this point these actions are not substantiated by this video.

This leads up to 0:36.  The SUV guns his engine and runs over a bunch of motorcycles and one cyclist.  This is the turn point on the video.

The reason I say this is because at this point the SUV driver exercised deadly force.  At this point he needs some pretty convincing justification.  He has, as my CCW instructor taught, just written the blank check.  The value could be everything you own as well as time in jail depending on how you articulate facts, how correctly you understood the situation, what the DA had for lunch, and maybe the attitude of the jury you might get.

What would I have done.

Well, for darn sure I would have been dialing, or on the phone with 911.  This is a great example of why you should always be hands free when you drive, or have the ability on your nightstand.  You want your hands free to run your car or gun, but you want to on with 911 letting their recording system capture your voice as you describe what is going on and what you threats you perceive.

From there, who knows.  That may have made all the difference in the world.  Or none at all.

For certain once the glass was breached, it would be time to light off the smoke wagon.

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I saw it stated he called 911 for sure. Probably why no charges were filed against him.

[4949shooter]

From the article IC posted:

"They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed with a knife," Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said at a press conference Monday."

The panicked dad gunned the engine, striking several bikers — one of whom was seriously injured — as he sped off, with the pack of thugs in hot pursuit, police sources said.

This happened after he ran over the bikers and was boxed in at another intersection.  This was the result of HIS actions, not the reason for his actions.

Not according to the context of the article IC posted.

Either way it doesn't make the retaliatory actions of the bikers excusable or lawful. The bikers should have taken a plate number down and called 911. This is the lawful way to handle such an incident. They could have even followed the SUV while keeping 911 on the phone to ensure the driver did not get away until the responding police could locate him. Then allow the police to conduct an investigation. There were plenty of witnesses and videos to aid the police with an investigation.

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Other side

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A COP was charged yesterday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57606470/new-video-of-nyc-motorcycle-road-rage-attack-shows-men-kicking-suv-driver/

[Steve4102]

So, the SUV driver added fuel to the fire by throwing a water bottle at the bikers, then runs them over and claims foul.

What kind of charges do you think would be brought against the  SUV driver if one of the Bikers he drove over was a Cop?  Plenty!

[4949shooter]

"From speaking to him, what he saw - or what he believes that he saw was a water bottle come out of the sunroof of the car," Vecere said

Sure, now a week later a water bottle mysteriously is alleged to have come out of the SUV roof. 

If it were true it still doesn't justify beating the guy, slashing his tires and breaking the windows on his car. The bikers should have called the police if they had a problem.

[Steve4102]

"From speaking to him, what he saw - or what he believes that he saw was a water bottle come out of the sunroof of the car," Vecere said

Sure, now a week later a water bottle mysteriously is alleged to have come out of the SUV roof. 

If it were true it still doesn't justify beating the guy, slashing his tires and breaking the windows on his car. The bikers should have called the police if they had a problem.

And stopping his SUV so they could "Stunt" justifies his running them over???  That's crazy!

[4949shooter]

I never said that, so do us all a favor and don't put words in my mouth.

Let the investigation run its course. There may be more to the story than the simplified version you give.

[sqlbullet]

Lets all take a step back here.

There is not a side to this story that has the high ground.  Both are so far in the wrong that I think they should all be hauled into court.

[4949shooter]

Fair enough sqlbullet.

[Osageid]

Lets all take a step back here.

There is not a side to this story that has the high ground.  Both are so far in the wrong that I think they should all be hauled into court.

I have no fight in this but it just seems this whole incident is a reflection of just how close society is on the edge of anarchy.  I just don't understand why all the anger that appears to be bottled up in people.

[Steve4102]

I just don't understand why all the anger that appears to be bottled up in people.

  When America see this and we put the real criminals behind bars, we will all calm down and just "get-a-long.

[BlueLineFish]

"From speaking to him, what he saw - or what he believes that he saw was a water bottle come out of the sunroof of the car," Vecere said

Sure, now a week later a water bottle mysteriously is alleged to have come out of the SUV roof. 

If it were true it still doesn't justify beating the guy, slashing his tires and breaking the windows on his car. The bikers should have called the police if they had a problem.

And stopping his SUV so they could "Stunt" justifies his running them over???  That's crazy!

nobody said that. Their aggressive and untimidating tactics caused him to fear for his safety which let to him retreating like he is supposed to. Unfortunately one of these perps was in front of him and got run over. If tbere was an issue the bikers had then they could have called the police instead of trying to take matters into their own hands. The drivers actions are a result of the cyclists actions so therefore the cyclists are at fault for what happenEd to the guy who got run over. Trus me..if the driver of the suv was at fault in any way he would have been arrested and charged. I am sure more will come out about this and using the new facts my opinions my change.

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