Motorcycle gang attack. What would you have done?

BlueLineFish · October 05 2013 08:10:42 PM MDT

I live in this area. I see what these biker thugs do. I deal with them on my job. They want to take over anywhere they are and want everybody else out of the way. That rider was trying to slow the rover so everbody could get in front. Do you know other riders had on ramps blocked along their route. Other riders were joining in as they rode. They are like a swarm of locusts. They take over everywhere they are. They were riding because they had already been kicked out of other locations that day.

Steve4102 · October 05 2013 08:20:54 PM MDT

AHH, so you were not there and you really do not know what they were up to. RIGHT!

Steve4102 · October 05 2013 08:35:01 PM MDT

Actually for the sake of the SUV driver I hope you are wrong.

Cuz if you are right and these guys only wanted to stop traffic so they could "Stunt", then there was no "danger of bodily harm or fear of death", was there. Without any intent of harm by the bikers and without any real fear of same by the SUV driver there is no legal way he can justify running over another Human Being.

The way I see it the SUV driver was not in fear of his/family's life, he was annoyed and pissed off cuz he was forced to wait. Not afraid for his life, pissed because he had to wait for a bunch of Crotch Rocket Cruzers to have their fun.

Yup, I would be pissed as well, but I sure as hell would NOT run the dumb ass over and claim I was A-Scared.

Blueline, you would be a great witness for the prosecution in the advent that this SUV driver ends up in court for attempted murder.

4949shooter · October 06 2013 04:10:23 AM MDT

The jury is still out on this one.

Intercooler · October 06 2013 05:38:46 AM MDT

They have some history and it looks like NYPD attempted keeping them out this day. I think anyone faced with what he felt inside the SUV may have taken the same actions. I think I would!

http://nypost.com/2013/09/30/bikers-attack-suv-after-driver-rams-riders/

Steve4102 · October 06 2013 04:54:49 PM MDT

I hope they through the book at this arrogant SOB and send his holier-than-thou ass to the slammer and I hope the people he injured take him and his family for every dime they have and then some. POS.

Intercooler · October 06 2013 05:08:32 PM MDT

It will be interesting to see what comes out of this. If new information becomes available please post it up.

Mr. AR50 · October 06 2013 07:15:46 PM MDT

BlueLineFish, I agree with you 100%! It looks like some of the bikers, for whatever reason, stopped suddenly, and one of them was 'bumped' by the Range Rover when the driver couldn't stop in time. It should have ended there, but as the video shows, the bikers chose to take matters into their own hands. As for myself, I'm not about to risk my family's safety by second guessing the intentions of a bunch of cowards when they surround my vehicle, leaving me with no way to escape. On their bikes or not, armed or not, if I think that they are a threat to me or my family, they get pulverized! ${$default_angry_smiley}$

4949shooter · October 06 2013 07:17:30 PM MDT

From the article IC posted:

"They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed with a knife," Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said at a press conference Monday."

The panicked dad gunned the engine, striking several bikers — one of whom was seriously injured — as he sped off, with the pack of thugs in hot pursuit, police sources said.

There indeed appears to be more to the story.

Intercooler · October 06 2013 08:10:27 PM MDT

COPS among them chose to not step forward ${$default_huh_smiley}$

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/undercover-biker-watched-beating-desk-duty-sources-article-1.1477174

Steve4102 · October 06 2013 09:30:11 PM MDT

Quote from: 4949shooter on October 06 2013 07:17:30 PM MDT
From the article IC posted:

"They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed with a knife," Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said at a press conference Monday."

The panicked dad gunned the engine, striking several bikers — one of whom was seriously injured — as he sped off, with the pack of thugs in hot pursuit, police sources said.

This happened after he ran over the bikers and was boxed in at another intersection. This was the result of HIS actions, not the reason for his actions.

Intercooler · October 07 2013 03:12:13 AM MDT

I didn't see anything about charges against the driver.

Mr. AR50 · October 07 2013 08:14:49 AM MDT

According to Diana Mieses, wife of injured biker Jay Mieses, "That's not just a motorcycle being ran over in the video, it's a human being. It's Jay." Her statement shoots down the ' people were ran over before the video starts' crowd, because the only injuries to bikers occurred when her husband was ran over, and it's "in the video".

BlueLineFish · October 07 2013 08:24:17 AM MDT

My understanding of the story is that after he bumped the bike they all started surrounding the truck and trying to get him out. Hitting the truck and acting aggressivly. Yeah..let me get out into an irate mob. They are rational and want to talk. They started the situation, then escalated it, then got the brunt of a bad situation. Is what happen to the rider unfortunate, yes, but it the actions of his buddies that caused it. Not the driver

sqlbullet · October 07 2013 09:37:31 AM MDT

What would I have done? Stayed away from New York ${$default_tongue_smiley}$

I wasn't there.

Based on the facts the article presented here is what I understand happened.

A motorcylist in the group cut off the SUV and brake checked the SUV (0:12). The SUV contacts the cylist at this time.

Not seen on the video: The article states that at this point the cyclists became aggressive, banging on the SUV with helmets and demanding the driver exit the vehicle, as well as threatening to slash tires. At this point these actions are not substantiated by this video.

This leads up to 0:36. The SUV guns his engine and runs over a bunch of motorcycles and one cyclist. This is the turn point on the video.

The reason I say this is because at this point the SUV driver exercised deadly force. At this point he needs some pretty convincing justification. He has, as my CCW instructor taught, just written the blank check. The value could be everything you own as well as time in jail depending on how you articulate facts, how correctly you understood the situation, what the DA had for lunch, and maybe the attitude of the jury you might get.

What would I have done.

Well, for darn sure I would have been dialing, or on the phone with 911. This is a great example of why you should always be hands free when you drive, or have the ability on your nightstand. You want your hands free to run your car or gun, but you want to on with 911 letting their recording system capture your voice as you describe what is going on and what you threats you perceive.

From there, who knows. That may have made all the difference in the world. Or none at all.

For certain once the glass was breached, it would be time to light off the smoke wagon.