Crazy shootout story

[Intercooler]

 Amazing!
http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

[pacapcop]

Interesting. He is fortunate he finished the fight and fortunate that he can carry a backup weapon and additional mags and rounds.Not all dept's allow such and hinder officers chances of survival.

[sqlbullet]

Very good example of the need to both lay down tactical cover fire while getting to a position of decent concealment and cover, then make the nearly impossible transition to slow, carefully aimed shots at small central nervous system target zones.

Of course, I am left wondering at the veracity of this story.  Claims to have taken place in Illinois, but what with their lack of CCW, prohibitions on loaded guns in cars and careful registration of guns and owners via FOID, I don't see how such violence could occur.

[The_Shadow]

Today's hoodlums have No Soul, they are heartless bastards raised on video games which teach shoot and keep on shooting with No Respect for anyone including themselves!  Throw in drugs or other family/mental disturbances with this kind of mentality, this presents a serious challenge for Law Enforcement.  LE's face a very different criminal element not unlike that of a Hollywood movie!

So yes, having enough ammo and or being able to share among other fellow officers can make a difference.  I see many departments going back to 9mm, but they are also packing the AR's and Shotguns as supplements to their arsenal.

[sqlbullet]

Also interesting to note in this story.  The perp was shot in the heart, both lungs, liver....All typically heavy bleeders.  But was still in the fight for almost a minute.

Illustrates the need to get those shots in the center line and have through penetration.  Better odds at a CNS hit that will stop the threat cold.

[DM1906]

Good article. I've read it before. Although I don't agree with the entire conclusion/solution, it is positive.

Today's hoodlums have No Soul, they are heartless bastards raised on video games which teach shoot and keep on shooting with No Respect for anyone including themselves!  Throw in drugs or other family/mental disturbances with this kind of mentality, this presents a serious challenge for Law Enforcement.  LE's face a very different criminal element not unlike that of a Hollywood movie!

So yes, having enough ammo and or being able to share among other fellow officers can make a difference.  I see many departments going back to 9mm, but they are also packing the AR's and Shotguns as supplements to their arsenal.

It's worse than that. Younger (and some more experienced) cops play those games, too. I'm seeing some VERY bad habits, more and more during training sessions. Most prominent is a near complete failure to distinguish the difference between cover and concealment, and double the number of rounds fired for target scores (spray n' pray). This during combat drills, when there should be NO excuse for not doing it right. I see this as a much bigger problem than bad guys acting out. The bad guys will always do what they do. The most we can do is do the best we can to respond when it does happen.

[MCQUADE]

Today's hoodlums have No Soul, they are heartless bastards raised on video games which teach shoot and keep on shooting with No Respect for anyone including themselves!  Throw in drugs or other family/mental disturbances with this kind of mentality, this presents a serious challenge for Law Enforcement.  LE's face a very different criminal element not unlike that of a Hollywood movie!

So yes, having enough ammo and or being able to share among other fellow officers can make a difference.  I see many departments going back to 9mm, but they are also packing the AR's and Shotguns as supplements to their arsenal.

+1, I deal with these predators every day. No soul, No heart, No conscience. True predators. Be prepared!

[justin10mm]

I'd be interested to know what bullet/load he was using.

Interesting that it wasn't until the middle of the third magazine that he realized he needed to aim his shots more carefully.

[pacapcop]

That might of been the only time he had for an aim shot, based of events. Right out of the gate officer is blasting thru windshield as he is being fired on.

[sqlbullet]

I agree pacapcop.

As I read it he came under immediate fire and basically had to lay down 2.5 magazines of cover fire while he transitioned to a place he had better concealment and some cover, but from which he could return aimed fire.

The real amazing thing is that with the adrenaline rush, he still was able to transition back to aimed fire.  Almost no one does that successfully.

[RevJim]

 He has my admiration, for sure. Makes it even more critical to pick ones aim when you consider average civilian CCW doesn't even carry a spare mag. I have often wondered just how I would do in the same types of scenarios...I sure can't carry a lot of ammo in my daily routine, so I am constantly looking for exits/cover,etc, I hope I never have to find out! lol

[RevJim]

 Another thing to consider; notice that he didn't have time to fight his way to his trunk gun! Sure, its great to have one, and many times its possible to fight 'to your rifle/shotgun" with your handgun, but how about 'that One time" you can't? A man had better tighten up his mind and get determined 'fast" or risk being murdered or crippled for life...I'd rather eat ice-cream with my grandkids, but best to have a plan, isn't it?