What Barrel?

Started by jerrydm60, June 30 2012 05:24:05 PM MDT

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alwaysshootin

Quote from: REDLINE on July 04 2012 01:25:27 PM MDT
Quote from: alwaysshootin on July 02 2012 09:15:09 PM MDT
...why, most of us, look to purchase an aftermarket barrel.

For me it is about going to a 6.02" version to add velocity in 10mm.

  Curious what kind of velocity increase you've experienced in the 6" over the factory barrel? Only asking, because when I had access to a chronograph, I never compared the two length barrels myself. To be honest, the main reason I first purchased the 6", was because Ohio has mandate of not less than 5 inches on barrel length. When I got the 6", Lone Wolf did not make the tactical length, which is what I have now. Bought it to make the length needed, and mostly, to shoot lead, without concern of leading.

sqlbullet

Factory ammo will see an average of 33fps increase.  But this is heavily load dependent.  Increases can be almost 100 fps for certain loads, maybe more for handloads.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html

Yondering

Quote from: alwaysshootin on July 06 2012 09:13:00 AM MDT

  Curious what kind of velocity increase you've experienced in the 6" over the factory barrel?

75-150 fps difference compared to a stock G20 length, depending on the load.

REDLINE

Quote from: alwaysshootin on July 06 2012 09:13:00 AM MDT
Quote from: REDLINE on July 04 2012 01:25:27 PM MDT
Quote from: alwaysshootin on July 02 2012 09:15:09 PM MDT
...why, most of us, look to purchase an aftermarket barrel.

For me it is about going to a 6.02" version to add velocity in 10mm.

  Curious what kind of velocity increase you've experienced in the 6" over the factory barrel? Only asking, because when I had access to a chronograph, I never compared the two length barrels myself. To be honest, the main reason I first purchased the 6", was because Ohio has mandate of not less than 5 inches on barrel length. When I got the 6", Lone Wolf did not make the tactical length, which is what I have now. Bought it to make the length needed, and mostly, to shoot lead, without concern of leading.

Glad some others chimed in with a good answer.  I don't currently have a 6" barrel.  I do have a Storm Lake 6.02" G20 barrel on the way, but the estimated ship date isn't until 8-13-12.  When I get it though I definitely will do some velocity comparison work over my CED M2 chronograph and get back to posting the results in 10mm-firearms.com, and only on 10mm-firearms.com. :D

Included in the comparison will be some Underwood and Winchester Silvertip.  Not sure what else yet.  Maybe Hornady factory XTP or something.  I'ld like to also see if there's a velocity difference between the G20 stock recoil spring and my Wolff 24 pound spring for the G20.  Don't know, we'll see.
Gun Control?  Oh yes, the theory that becoming a victim is somehow morally superior to defending yourself & your family.  Makes perfect sense.

alwaysshootin

Quite a spread there with 33- 150 fps! Wish I had compared the two different barrel lengths when I had the chance. If there is a 150 fps gain, then the longer barrel, for that reason, is a sound investment, yet, at a 33 fps velocity increase, not so much. Like I said, with Ohio, mandating 5" minimum length, and wanting to shoot lead almost exclusively, is why I spent my money for the aftermarket barrel.  Only going from 1220 fps, to 1250, or, any added accuracy, not that I noticed any whatsoever, is not why I would make an additional 25% investment to the G20. That's just me though!

Have a great weekend everyone! ;D 

Yondering

I'm not sure where the 33 fps figure came from? Even on the BTI website, they show 75-100 fps difference for most of the loads tested between 4" and 6" barrels.

I have never fired a load through mine that only gained 33 fps. Even factory 40 S&W gains more than that.

alwaysshootin

Quote from: sqlbullet on July 06 2012 10:39:21 AM MDT
Factory ammo will see an average of 33fps increase.  But this is heavily load dependent.  Increases can be almost 100 fps for certain loads, maybe more for handloads.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html


From here!

sqlbullet

Quote from: Yondering on July 06 2012 09:26:26 PM MDT
I'm not sure where the 33 fps figure came from? Even on the BTI website, they show 75-100 fps difference for most of the loads tested between 4" and 6" barrels.

I have never fired a load through mine that only gained 33 fps. Even factory 40 S&W gains more than that.

Yondering, I took the data on the Ballistics by the Inch page for 5" and 6" barrels, derived a difference for each load and took an average.


Calculation   Value
average33.89
min3
max93
Std Dev27.07

You are correct.  When comparing 4" to 6" barrels, the velocity increases average to 102 fps


Calculation   Value
average102.89
min71
max182
Std Dev33.7

And, just for fun, going from 4" to 5"


Calculation   Value
average69
min51
max90
Std Dev15.1

This data indicates that factory 10mm ammo is optimized for a 5" barrel.  Gains are seen out to 14-16" barrels in most factory ammo, but they are quite incremental past 5" in most cases.  I suspect handloads will really benefit those with barrels longer than 5"

REDLINE

Quote from: sqlbullet on July 09 2012 12:13:34 PM MDT
I suspect handloads will really benefit those with barrels longer than 5"

I'ld also expect to see a difference between 40S&W-level 10mm factory ammo and Underwood-level 10mm ammo.  I can't see that they would be the same across the board, possibly not even close (relatively speaking).
Gun Control?  Oh yes, the theory that becoming a victim is somehow morally superior to defending yourself & your family.  Makes perfect sense.

sqlbullet

I had the same thought.  They do list the buffalo bore 180 at 1399 from 5" and 1428 from 6".  This load tops out at 13" with 1586 fps.

But, handloads can be better tailored to a longer barrel.