200gr Gold Dot, Double Tap 180gr, Lancer 180gr Chronograph

Intercooler · August 10 2013 08:55:30 AM MDT

All kinds of stuff before the crowd hit and I had to go revolver. That's not a bad thing because the Taurus 992's second time out was fun again ${$default_cool_smiley}$

Limited Pro 4.75" 200gr Gold Dot 9.4gr's LongShot 1285, 1299, 1298, 1289, 1274. Average = 1289 FPS/ 738 LBS. Stout and accurate!
Limited Pro 4.75" 200gr Gold Dot 9.4gr's 800-X 1208, 1216, 1265, 1230, 1237. Average = 1231.2 FPS/ 673 LBS. Another nice one!
Limited Pro 4.75" Lancer 180gr XTP (Old) 974, 961, 950. Average = 961.66 FPS/ 370 LBS ${$default_shocked_smiley}$ ${$default_shocked_smiley}$
Limited Pro 4.75" Double Tap 180gr Golden Saber 8.6gr's Long Shot Average = 1189 FPS/ 565 LBS ${$default_shocked_smiley}$ ${$default_lips_sealed_smiley}$

The_Shadow · August 10 2013 09:46:24 AM MDT

Thanks for the report, I may have to back off on the LongShot slightly, I didn't think that they would go quite that high. Pretty consistent though... ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$

REDLINE · August 10 2013 03:27:50 PM MDT

QuoteLimited Pro 4.75"
200gr Gold Dot
9.4gr's LongShot
Average = 1289 FPS/ 738 LBS.
Stout and accurate!

Very impressive load! Thanks for sharing the results. I'ld love to see the results of that one tested in water jugs.

I'm surprised 800-X didn't to a little bit better. In those loads using the 200gr Gold Dot I'ld like to see how the velocity differences compare through a 6" barrel. Not the difference in velocity overall because of using a 6" barrel, but rather the velocity difference between the 2 loads themselves from a 6" barrel. In the 4.75" barrel I did expect Longshot to achieve a higher velocity, just not by as much as these results showed.

The Longshot results were also more consistent shot to shot. With a 6" barrel I wonder if 800-X would show more shot to shot uniformity.

The_Shadow · August 10 2013 03:51:43 PM MDT

BTW, those were sent to Intercooler for testing the JAG brass on their 3rd firing, I would be interested in getting expansion results and examination for any possible "smiles"...
These were reloaded in JAG brass on their 3rd firing, using the loads listed above and using Remington 2 1/2 primers COAL was 1.2500"

I may down load them to 9.2 grains of LongShot to keep them around 1250 fps. ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$

Intercooler · August 11 2013 07:17:42 AM MDT

I like them just how they are. About perfect! ${$default_wink_smiley}$

Rome · August 11 2013 12:56:45 PM MDT

Intercooler your results are near perfect! The penetration & expansion might beat the XTP once someone recovers the bullets I like to see .950 to 1" what do you think? Maybe 15" to 16" penetration? I like to thank Shadow & you for the testing thus far! I Know I have to get my hands on some long shot! I think that would be my standard carry load I have 1000 fresh Starline brass & 500 Double tap nickel plated brass, number 2-1/2 Winchester, primers & 300 & 350CCI primers I do have a few pounds of X800 but I think with your results I go with Long shot I have 1,750 200 Grain GDHP left to lock & load.

Rome · August 11 2013 01:29:48 PM MDT

You may have reinvented the perfect 10mm bullet; Norma has nothing on you guys! If you need a few more bullets just give me a shout out I have virgin brass also for your testing. I am supposed to get my FFL 6 this week after the fire marshal come tomorrow again for the 5th time to ensure I have posted all my no smoking signs & the correct fire extinguisher & post a monthly fire inspection log book. What a pain but at least I will be legal.

Intercooler · August 11 2013 01:44:40 PM MDT

Did Raggedyman get any for gel testing? I think so...

The_Shadow · August 11 2013 06:55:12 PM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on August 11 2013 01:44:40 PM MDT
Did Raggedyman get any for gel testing? I think so...

I did send him 25 to get things started, but getting days with less heat will help him and me too!

Intercooler · August 11 2013 07:05:43 PM MDT

Is their any possibility to twist Speer into making these available?

The_Shadow · August 11 2013 08:09:26 PM MDT

Well I did e-mail Speer this note;

QuoteA little while back a company was offering some pulled 200 gr Gold Dot bullets from what was said to be 40S&W Law Enforcement line of ammo.

We have discussed this may times on our various 10mm web forums, wishing that Speer would make the 200 grain Gold Dot bullet available to the handloaders. There is quite a following of 10mm enthusiast who are longing to see Speer provide this heavier weight bullet to satisfy this need. Not everyone shoots the 40S&W and the 10mm shooters' numbers are steadily increasing!

Therefore, as the current supply shortages start to level out, please consider this request from the 10mm guys for the heavier 200 grain Speer Gold Dot's to be a viable handloader/reloaders product choice. I would even venture to say you would find ammunition makers like Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore and Double Tap Ammo grabbing this round to bring to their product lines as well.

I really feel that this would prove to be a great selling Speer product to mainly the 10mm shooters and even some of the 40S&W shooters as well.

Thanks for taking time to listen and possible considerations.

Intercooler · August 12 2013 05:28:35 AM MDT

Is their a way I can purchase some?

Rome · August 15 2013 08:22:46 PM MDT

intercooler I can send you some address me at
georgerome@cox.net

The_Shadow · September 06 2013 07:18:52 PM MDT

Well I measured the brass today...as shot by Intercooler during his velocity testing.

Limited Pro 4.75" 200gr Gold Dot 9.4gr's LongShot 1285, 1299, 1298, 1289, 1274. Average = 1289 FPS/ 738 LBS.
JAG brass after 3 firings and reconditioning 0.4315", 0.4320", 0.4325", 0.4330" (showing some signs of stress at the multiple heavy loadings....these were on the HOT side)

Limited Pro 4.75" 200gr Gold Dot 9.4gr's 800-X 1208, 1216, 1265, 1230, 1237. Average = 1231.2 FPS/ 673 LBS.
JAG brass after 3 firings and reconditioning 0.4305", 0.4305", 0.4305" (these did not show as much stress)
Star Line Multiple uses as well 0.4320", 0.4325" (these did not show as much stress)

Limited Pro 4.75" Lancer 180gr XTP (Old) 974, 961, 950. Average = 961.66 FPS/ 370 LBS
Midway brass 0.4300" FC brass 0.4295"

Limited Pro 4.75" Double Tap 180gr Golden Saber 8.6gr's Long Shot Average = 1189 FPS/ 565 LBS
Double Tap brass 0.4320"

Raggedyman · September 12 2013 02:51:30 PM MDT

Okay, I'll make up a ladder going from 8.0 gr of 800X through 9.0 gr. I know I should start lower than 0.1 gr below book max but between your results with 9.4 gr and my earlier results with 8.5 gr and an XTP bullet, I feel comfortable working up. I think that 9.4 gr might be a bit much just because of the ES. Assuming I also see no pressure signs, I'll gelatin test the 9.2 gr load as well as a 7.6 gr (subsonic) load.

I'm excited to see what these do in gelatin but I wish they had used a kinetic puller or something that bit less into the jacket.

*Edited to change the upper limit of the ladder. I had enough bullets to do 8.0-9.0 gr of 800-X, along with the subsonic load.