Witness problems

pacapcop · June 30 2012 02:22:51 PM MDT

Forgot to ask,did you try the K10 mags that are out?Not the red follower ones.

Intercooler · June 30 2012 02:56:51 PM MDT

Mine works with both. I actually like the extra capacity of the reds... if the gun works either one should be a go.

Patriot · June 30 2012 03:18:50 PM MDT

Quote from: pacapcop on June 30 2012 02:22:51 PM MDT
Forgot to ask,did you try the K10 mags that are out?Not the red follower ones.

Yeah, I have one K10. It jams the most.

Intercooler · June 30 2012 04:48:04 PM MDT

Can you take a video of it doing this? Also any pictures of your barrel entrance and slide? I would like to see if it is any different than a Match or issues.

Intercooler · July 02 2012 12:28:15 AM MDT

I know it doesn't help seeing one running as it should but he gives some info in there too.

Patrice · July 02 2012 04:28:11 AM MDT

Quote from: Grim Reaper on June 29 2012 07:49:56 PM MDT
I have owned 3 EAA Witness 10mm full size, two in wonderfinish, and one blued. I have convinced many friends to purchase them as well. We all experience the same problem. Jams....( ${$default_huh_smiley}$ )....The round seems to catch on the case as it enters the barrel....Stronger mag springs, 22 pound recoil springs, polished the feed ramp, smoothed out the lip on the breech. They still jam almost two times each magazine. It was a complete embarrassment the last time I did my gun qualification for duty. It jammed 7 times during my gun qualification.

Hhmmm....At the risk of sounding impudent, why do you convince friends to buy these pistols that have all experienced the same problem jams?--Patrice ${$default_roll_eyes_smiley}$

sqlbullet · July 02 2012 08:34:34 AM MDT

Notice the Witness in the video has the "Elite" upper with the squared slide, not the newer rounded one.

While I think the cracking issues on the new slides were related to heat treat issues, I don't think this new slide has enough mass to run correctly with full power 10mm ammo, especially with heavier bullets, say heavier than 165 grain.

A Hennings flat bottom firing pin stop may help this a bit by eating up some momentum right out of the gate, I think the real solution is to increase the slide mass.

As I have reported, my full size still doesn't like full power 205 grain loads. The Match runs fine with them.

Intercooler · July 02 2012 04:46:57 PM MDT

I would really like to figure out what the magic is in just the slide. Somehow we need to dig deeper into this!

At any rate if it were me I would used the very strongest recoil spring offered and see how it acts. You can get a selection for less than $30 and see if it acts different with the changes.

Kwesi · July 07 2012 06:26:00 AM MDT

To the OP: I feel your pain. Last year I purchased a new Witness Limited 10mm with the new K10 mags and it had mega feeding issues with the nose pointing straight/stuck on the feed ramp. I tried everything but to no avail. I returned not one but 3 for replacement. Fortunately my "first Witness" was purchased from a dealer whose supplier was Davidson's Firearms. Davidson's Guarantee is what I used to return 3 new pistols - all with feeding issues. But I loved this gun. The 4th time was the charm! No feeding issues at all.

Make certain your next Witness has the Davidson's Warranty! They stand behind it.

pacapcop · July 07 2012 11:26:42 PM MDT

After watching the video,i gotta say,i think Tanfoglio started to get sloppy after the 90's with their base model.This whole buisness with the new slide and quality control just went south.Yes,their upper tier models are awsome,but they seem to sacrafice their base model in terms of quality.My Compact,after 2 send backs,is their old school model.And i gotta say,call me crazy,it is my most accurate 10mm,above and including the Match,which i own.

sqlbullet · July 09 2012 09:01:51 AM MDT

The Witness guns certainly can run great. But I agree that in the standard line it is a crap shoot as to whether yours will run at all.

Good to know about Davidson's.

Intercooler · July 12 2012 08:44:37 AM MDT

Any luck? I would love to see this solved. If we could find the answer it would be huge for all owners!

Six 10’s · August 07 2012 07:22:31 PM MDT

I guess that I have been lucky. I have a new Elite Match with 4 K 10 magazines. I have had zero problems with the gun or any of the mags.

pacapcop · August 07 2012 08:10:59 PM MDT

Same here Six 10s,all K10s run 100% in Match.Now im wishing they make in compact mags same.

Patriot · August 07 2012 09:46:41 PM MDT

Quote from: pacapcop on August 07 2012 08:10:59 PM MDT
Same here Six 10s,all K10s run 100% in Match.Now im wishing they make in compact mags same.

My K10's only hold 13 or 14 rounds instead of 15. They run great with my new Match slide and barrel, but jam like crazy with the regular Witness slide and barrel. I don't get it.