10mm Defense Ammo

[REDLINE]

Redline you are good defender of the 10 but keep in mind we all love the 10 that's why we are here.

So we all agree to live by our personal convictions .

I am going to the 45 full size for now I carry the 10mm daily but the loads are about what a 40 can do.

So we are all one big happy family...........

You're right.  Heck, we're both right.  The problem isn't us, it's us having to worry about others with a twisted perception ultimately stemming from ignorance, and for some, actual hate on different levels.  Well, last I checked, the world is still spinning.  Maybe I should check again.

[445 supermag]

sOnspark,

I think the Underwood 200gr XTP would make an excellent defense round anywhere (except maybe NJ with their questionable state statutes). 

I am from NJ and would like to know more about this and where you heard of this.

Thanks

Brian

[DAVIDF]

I am not an expert, nor am I familiar with NJ statutes regarding firearms or ammunition. I have only read on gun forums that hollow points are prohited. Bullets such as Federal's expanding fmj are fine. Is that correct? Or is what I have read out in left field?

[DAVIDF]

XTP are pretty tough bullets one would wonder why Hornady does not load them in all there Critical defense ammo if they worked so well.

I think they don't load them in the Critical Defense loads because those tend to be loaded at lower velocities (not always) and the Critical Defense doesn't seem to be as sensitive to velocity as the xtp is. Just my guess.

[Ramjet]

Good guess that is exactly right and they found the flex tip handled  going through clothing and expanding much better than the XTP.

[pacapcop]

NJ is confusing. I say that that even LEO's from outside are under the impression that even if they entered the state there is a question of either fmj or hp. I inquired last fall fishing season in South Jersey with a local Captain, his response, what do you qualify with, nuff said. Now local resident's, don't know. Crazy state.

[4949shooter]

Out of state LEO would (or should) be covered under HR 218.

NJ residents beware. Hollowpoints are not legal to be carried in NJ.

[Ramjet]

What they carriyng exposed lead semi wad cutters?

[pacapcop]

Thanks 4949.

[4949shooter]

Pacapcop, you are quite welcome.

Ramjet, retired officers in NJ are carrying full metal jacket. Some are carrying Hornady Critical Defense, but that is debatable according to the statute which does not allow for any "dumdum" (read expanding) rounds.

[gandog56]

Out of state LEO would (or should) be covered under HR 218.

NJ residents beware. Hollowpoints are not legal to be carried in NJ.

That has to be one of the stupidest laws ever. I'll bet a lot of the cops in that state DO carry HP, and state issued HP!

[lEmmerdeur]

Hi everyone!  I'm new to the forum and was quite pleased to find a good quality site for 10mm enthusiasts, so here goes...  I have an original (at least I assume it is, since I've had it since the model was new, about 15 years or so ago) Glock 29.  To address the thread, I keep it loaded with MagSafe Defenders.  They're a boutique frangible and I'd be interested in any learned feedback from the community.  Secondly, I spend a lot of time in the back country (Wa. Cascades) and have been carrying the G29 more and more for personal defense.  I traditionally carried a great bloody cannon about with me, but I've been lightening my load over the years.  I've read on these boards that many recommend a hard cast bullet for hunting/defense vs. larger game, so here's my question:  Some years ago I purchased a couple hundred Hard Antimony Lead rounds for target purposes and couldn't hit a blessed thing with them, at virtually any range.  My assumption at the time was that it was due to incompatibility between the lead bullet and the polygonal rifling of the G20's barrel.  Was this probably the case and, if so would there be a similar problem with a hard cast (as opposed to jacketed) bullet?  Also, what limitations would the factory barrel place upon bullet/cartridge selection?  Any feedback to the above will be highly appreciated.  Thanks,
-Brooke.

[The_Shadow]

lEmmerdeur, Welcome to the forum!  I do shoot my own cast bullets (sized at 0.4015") thru my Glock 29 and Glock 20SF "factory barrels" with good accuracy but I also have a Storm Lake barrel for the G-29 with cut rifling that makes shooting cast bullets even better.  May get an aftermarket barrel for the G-20 just because of using cast bullets.

Some bullets just are sized too small and suffer as shot thru the polygonal rifling.  They tend to slide not getting a good purchase on the slick poly rifling.  Hickok45 has some Youtubes showing the key-holing using Double Tap Hard Cast.

[DAVIDF]

Brooke,

Regarding the Magsafe Defenders, I don't believe they penetrate deep enough for reliable defense use. Yes, in a perfect shot it may work better than other handgun rounds in a human size target. But, when a forearm is in the way, or a particularly large person, or against an animal in the woods that is larger than a human I would prefer just about any other load. The results from the Strasbourg tests make them sound spectacular. But that was a lab controlled experiment with perfect shot place from the side into a goats lungs. I would prefer something that does 15 inches or more of penetration in bare gelatin (more with denim) rather than the 7 inches or so with Magsafe.
http://guninstructor.net/Strasborg_Tests.pdf

[lEmmerdeur]

Thanks Shadow and DAVIDF, great info!  Does anyone know when Underwood might have something in stock, again?