Police Marksman Magazine

[The_Shadow]

As a moderator I could step in and ask for some civility and to keep things on topic, but I feel we are adult enough to sort of control ourselves and or posting.  I don't like it when things start to take on a personal attack, Why?  Attacking one another is not what this forum is about, and it is ok to share facts and opinions that show another point of view if it doesn't take on a whole direction. 

I feel enidpd804, stated in a very firm tone, he did not want his topic/subject to be trashed in an effort to keep it on track.  But when others start passing their own judgements this will start getting cloudy and argumentative.  The purpose of the thread is disrupted to the point of be useless and feelings and friendships become strained.  Sometimes letting people work things out amongst themselves is good for the building of a friendship as long as things remain respectful.

Because this has been one of the friendliest forums we remain sort of laid back, but that doesn't mean we will not act!  I could go in and delete post, modify post or close entire threads...is that what any of you want?  I don't think so, however I have done so in the history of this forum.  I am not the only moderator here either.

Now back to the subject, today's Law Enforcement faces a strained society, with a quick temper and are quick to lash out or over react to their presence or intervention.  This can be seen in family disputes where the person the LEO is trying to protect turns on the officers...Oh yea, that happens alot!  The youth of today as stated in other post here and elsewhere lack any and all respect for Law Enforcement, especially those under peer pressure of gangs where they try to make a show of disrespect toward the LEO's.  LEO's are placed in bad situations as it is, but a confrontation in a crowded area can turn deadly very quickly these days.

I would agree with what the retired LEO stated, but we are getting off the topic of trying to explain, why law enforcement would or should carry a 10mm pistol for duty.  How would it benefit him or hamper his duties?

[enidpd804]

I'm thinking of starting the introductory paragraph with the challenges rural cops/deputies face.  Longer shots, larger potentially dangerous animals, thicker clothing on two legged critters.  These guys could use a pistol capable of handling these challenges. 

I've let other guys on the SWAT team use my G20 on poppers at 100 yards.  It's do-able most of the time with medium level loads like ST.  With Underwood, there's really no need to hold over.  There's almost no drop at that range with the hot stuff.  There are some definite advantages there.  For those who are allowed to and want to carry a revolver, the 610 fits the bill. Capable of slightly more pop than a .357 mag in a familiar N frame package, it would seem to fit the bill just fine. 

[s0nspark]

I'm thinking of starting the introductory paragraph with the challenges rural cops/deputies face.  Longer shots, larger potentially dangerous animals, thicker clothing on two legged critters.  These guys could use a pistol capable of handling these challenges. 

That seems like a good approach.

One point that might bear mentioning is, for those of us that live in rural areas that border on metro areas, 10mm serves as an excellent choice.  I normally load on the heavy end but I keep alternate carry ammo loaded in mags and if I find my day takes me into the city I can swap to ammo more for urban threats...

[Mike_Fontenot]

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I normally load on the heavy end but I keep alternate carry ammo loaded in mags and if I find my day takes me into the city I can swap to ammo more for urban threats...

I think our tendency to worry about over-penetration ("through-and-through") in urban environments might be naive and misguided.  For one thing, there is no over-penetration like the over-penetration you get when you completely miss the target, no matter what ballistics you are using.  And even if you DO hit the target, a bullet that can adequately penetrate a 220-lb bad guy, who's wearing a heavy coat, WILL over-penetrate a 110-lb scantily-clad bad-girl.

[s0nspark]

I think our tendency to worry about over-penetration ("through-and-through") in urban environments might be naive and misguided.  For one thing, there is no over-penetration like the over-penetration you get when you completely miss the target, no matter what ballistics you are using.  And even if you DO hit the target, a bullet that can adequately penetrate a 220-lb bad guy, who's wearing a heavy coat, WILL over-penetrate a 110-lb scantily-clad bad-girl.

I totally agree that a miss should be the bigger concern... and I lean towards having more penetration rather than less when choosing ammo. The woods ammo I carry, though, is not appropriate for CCW. I typically carry Underwood 200gr TMJs when four-legged critters might be a threat... My street ammo of choice is Underwood 165gr Bonded Defense.

[Mike_Fontenot]

I typically carry Underwood 200gr TMJs when four-legged critters might be a threat... My street ammo of choice is Underwood 165gr Bonded Defense.

I agree that a 10mm 200gr FMJ round is overdoing it in an urban environment ... and I wouldn't recommend 220gr hardcast either!

For quite a while, I've been alternating 150gr and 180gr Nosler JHP DoubleTaps in each of my mags, just to "hedge my bets".  But based on some of the comments on this forum, about inadequate penetration, I've just bought some 200gr Nosler JHP DoubleTaps, and if they prove to cycle OK in my gun, I'll add them to the alternation in each magazine.  I'll still start with the 150gr round (the chambered carry round), then graduate to 180gr, then to 200gr, then repeat ... .  That way, I'm trying to avoid over-penetration, but I'll increase penetration if the lighter rounds don't solve the problem.