Police Marksman Magazine

[Steve4102]

I have no interest in your opinion. Keep your negativity out of my thread.    

Is that an Order?

[s0nspark]

...and the new issue was just posted.   

Good article :-)

[enidpd804]

I have no interest in your opinion. Keep your negativity out of my thread.    

Is that an Order?

This is the last bit of attention you will get from me.  Have a nice day. 

[enidpd804]

...and the new issue was just posted.   

Good article :-)

Thanks much, sir.  The review on the SW1911sc only took a week to write.  A buddy posed for the picture.  Carry a Big One was written over a year ago and took about a month to complete.  It's my favorite by far.  Anyone who is interested should submit an article.  It's a lot of fun and the people at Hendon Publishing are absolutely great.  They are paying me to go to SHOT Show in January. 

[The_Shadow]

Many departments have adopted new training and proficiency standards, as it pertains to take down and restraints, they also have beefed up the firearms senaiors inside dwellings with close quarter drills.  There have been some cross trainings with other agencies as well.  Some have stopped maintaining certain record details because it can be used against them in court, so it is either pass or fail.

The guys locally down here, have some various drills that are under simulated lighting, no lighting, role play with simunition training.  Have seen these simunition training rounds in some pistol cartridges to include 9mm, 40S&W.

Here is yet another dilemma for agencies going to 10mm, "New procurement contracts" would be needed for in many cases where guns don't exist in that cardgridge...i.e. S&W, SIG and Springfield, leaving the dreaded Glock as their only choice to test and showcase their experience with the ballistic power of 10mm.  Then if S&W, SIG and Springfield were to produce a competing lineup chambered for 10mm those gun parts many not be interchangeable with other departmental weapons due to dimensional differences.

So as we can see the FBI "screwed the pooch" as it pertains to 10mm guns and ammo, it started out as a ray of salvation knowing full well they required a cartridge capable of delivering more potential energy to the target, only to neuter it into something else less capable! 

But the ammo companies have pushed up the performance of the 9mm's and 45's with +p and +P+ performance, that has also worked against the 10mm becoming the proper ballistic package...

Forgive me as I am playing the devil's advocate trying to show reasons or issues in the relationship of 10mm and Law Enforcement needs.  For me make mine a 10!

[enidpd804]

Many departments have adopted new training and proficiency standards, as it pertains to take down and restraints, they also have beefed up the firearms senaiors inside dwellings with close quarter drills.  There have been some cross trainings with other agencies as well.  Some have stopped maintaining certain record details because it can be used against them in court, so it is either pass or fail.

The guys locally down here, have some various drills that are under simulated lighting, no lighting, role play with simunition training.  Have seen these simunition training rounds in some pistol cartridges to include 9mm, 40S&W.

Here is yet another dilemma for agencies going to 10mm, "New procurement contracts" would be needed for in many cases where guns don't exist in that cardgridge...i.e. S&W, SIG and Springfield, leaving the dreaded Glock as their only choice to test and showcase their experience with the ballistic power of 10mm.  Then if S&W, SIG and Springfield were to produce a competing lineup chambered for 10mm those gun parts many not be interchangeable with other departmental weapons due to dimensional differences.

So as we can see the FBI "screwed the pooch" as it pertains to 10mm guns and ammo, it started out as a ray of salvation knowing full well they required a cartridge capable of delivering more potential energy to the target, only to neuter it into something else less capable! 

But the ammo companies have pushed up the performance of the 9mm's and 45's with +p and +P+ performance, that has also worked against the 10mm becoming the proper ballistic package...

Forgive me as I am playing the devil's advocate trying to show reasons or issues in the relationship of 10mm and Law Enforcement needs.  For me make mine a 10!

It is much appreciated, sir.  Agreed.  The SWAT team gets one day with the rookies.  The first half of the day is room clearing.  The second is active shooter.  We end with scenario-based training with Sims.  It's fun to go on a call with one of the new guys you've trained and see them react appropriately because of the effort the department put out.  Sims is definitely the difference.  The square range is only the foundation of firearms training.  There is still a house to build after that. 

I'm really not trying to sway LE into using the 10mm on a large basis.  I just want to write an article on the benefits in a cop-oriented magazine.  People make their own decisions. 

[s0nspark]

The reputation that 10mm has for being some semi-nuclear death ray can be off-putting... Sure, it is stout with high energy loads but it remains controllable.

[Steve4102]

This is the last bit of attention you will get from me.   

Thanks Warren, I appreciate it.

Does this mean I can still post my thoughts and link articles and facts without being told to find another forum, or being ordered to "keep of" your threads.  Cool Thanks.

[4949shooter]

Face it Steve, we all know you don't like cops. Your posts are very indicative of this fact.

Now you come on someone else's thread and are causing problems.

You are trolling, Steve. And I don't mean you are trolling for bluefish.

[Steve4102]

Face it Steve, we all know you don't like cops. Your posts are very indicative of this fact.

Now you come on someone else's thread and are causing problems.

You are trolling, Steve. And I don't mean you are trolling for bluefish.

Stating Facts, is causing problems? 

If I am trolling, it's up to the Moderators here to scold me and correct my behavior, Not a couple Cops that can handle the truth.

[4949shooter]

Face it Steve, we all know you don't like cops. Your posts are very indicative of this fact.

Now you come on someone else's thread and are causing problems.

You are trolling, Steve. And I don't mean you are trolling for bluefish.

Stating Facts, is causing problems? 

If I am trolling, it's up to the Moderators here to scold me and correct my behavior, Not a couple Cops that can handle the truth.

Face facts....you are trolling. This is plain for all to see.

Whether or not the moderators choose to deal with you is their decision.

[Steve4102]

Face it Steve, we all know you don't like cops. Your posts are very indicative of this fact.

Now you come on someone else's thread and are causing problems.

You are trolling, Steve. And I don't mean you are trolling for bluefish.

Stating Facts, is causing problems? 

If I am trolling, it's up to the Moderators here to scold me and correct my behavior, Not a couple Cops that can handle the truth.

Face facts....you are trolling. This is plain for all to see.

Whether or not the moderators choose to deal with you is their decision.

It's really is hard for you guys to not have complete control, isn't it.  Anything that isn't High Five the LEO Community or complete compliance  is very difficult  to accept. 
Smashing down bathroom doors and terrorizing a 16 year old boy is OK, cuz your LE.  Anyone that has issues with that they are Bashing you or Defying you. 

  here is a quote from a former LEO on another forum.  Pretty much says it all on the sad state of the LEO in this country.

I was a cop, but retired now. And glad I am! The old days are mostly gone. Old time police work is a dead art. Talking to someone and getting their cooperation has gone and slamming down their door and intimidating them and their family is the new tactical solution to many a problem. Reasoning with a person was always the better choice, but now it seems that scaring them into obeying is the tactical choice. The problem is one that you see being less seen because of this tactic. People will choose to not assist the police, choose not to cooperate willingly. The police will be seen as the enemy, instead of someone you can turn to when a problem comes up. We have seen this in third world countries where the people fear police, and police abuse of the populace is prevelent. What happens when you can no longer tell your child that if they are lost or have a problem, find a cop and he will help you. Not all cops are that way, but as the older ones retire, the "officer friendless", they are replaced by young officers who are more Agressive in their tactics. The federal government is assisting in "militarizing" the police forces. But there are many that are not. But if this trend continues, one day when things get worse, the federal govt will "federalize" the local police forces and take control of law enforcement as a whole. And then we are all in for a bad time.

  You should be proud that your retired Brethren have less respect for you than I do.

[4949shooter]

Lol!  I am not trying to be controlling! I am just pointing out the facts as you say.

YOU Steve, are trolling. And it isn't just on this thread. Your behavior on this forum over the past days has revealed your behavior as trolling.

Enjoy your cop hate, my friend.  For every negative police occurrence you post, there are thousands, maybe even millions, of positive police interactions.

But you seem to be the only one on this forum who doesn't understand that, or want to see it.

[s0nspark]

Enjoy your cop hate, my friend.  For every negative police occurrence you post, there are thousands, maybe even millions, of positive police interactions.

True. This issue is not as black and white as some would suggest.

There are good cops and bad cops (ok, LOL) but it is foolish and shortsighted to try and lump all in either category.

As Warren requested, let's keep this thread on topic. One can always start a new thread to just rail against "the man" ;-)

[The_Shadow]

As a moderator I could step in and ask for some civility and to keep things on topic, but I feel we are adult enough to sort of control ourselves and or posting.  I don't like it when things start to take on a personal attack, Why?  Attacking one another is not what this forum is about, and it is ok to share facts and opinions that show another point of view if it doesn't take on a whole direction. 

I feel enidpd804, stated in a very firm tone, he did not want his topic/subject to be trashed in an effort to keep it on track.  But when others start passing their own judgements this will start getting cloudy and argumentative.  The purpose of the thread is disrupted to the point of be useless and feelings and friendships become strained.  Sometimes letting people work things out amongst themselves is good for the building of a friendship as long as things remain respectful.

Because this has been one of the friendliest forums we remain sort of laid back, but that doesn't mean we will not act!  I could go in and delete post, modify post or close entire threads...is that what any of you want?  I don't think so, however I have done so in the history of this forum.  I am not the only moderator here either.

Now back to the subject, today's Law Enforcement faces a strained society, with a quick temper and are quick to lash out or over react to their presence or intervention.  This can be seen in family disputes where the person the LEO is trying to protect turns on the officers...Oh yea, that happens alot!  The youth of today as stated in other post here and elsewhere lack any and all respect for Law Enforcement, especially those under peer pressure of gangs where they try to make a show of disrespect toward the LEO's.  LEO's are placed in bad situations as it is, but a confrontation in a crowded area can turn deadly very quickly these days.

I would agree with what the retired LEO stated, but we are getting off the topic of trying to explain, why law enforcement would or should carry a 10mm pistol for duty.  How would it benefit him or hamper his duties?