200 gr. GDHP

[The_Shadow]

You know now that I look at them even closer that may not be a crimp line?    I am leaning toward the tool marks of the equipment used to pull the bullets...OUCH! 

[475/480]

Mine came today also.  It will be a few weeks before I can shoot them into wetpack but reloading and chrony work will begin next weekend.

Sean

[RMM]

Shadow, that 9.4 Longshot load looks crazy! I'm a little bit nervous about even loading 9.0 under a 200 grain bullet. I'm going to start at something more like 8.2.

[The_Shadow]

I hear you, but 9.4 gr LongShot is what SwampFox & I also load under the Hornady 200XTP which is 0.6820" at 1240 fps.  It will be interesting to see what they will do.  So please keep us posted.

I think those 200 GD's are right at 0.698" - 0.700" with a beveled edge. 
(BTW-I don't think the original 200 GD's had a beveled edge and had a flat base)

[RMM]

Here are my measurements:
200 XTP 0.678"
200 GD 0.697"
180 HST 0.641"

It is hard to judge but just by eyeballing I think that the XTP and GD have similar bearing surface area. The two are similar but it seems like the extra space displaced by the larger HP cavity of the GD vs the XTP is about equal to the beveled portion of the bullet. I have no idea, however, what the frictional difference is in the thick plated Gold Dot and jacketed XTP.

[445 supermag]

Look like some crimp lines but who knows.


But I am looking forward to you guys reports

Brian

[DM1906]

Not crimping marks.  Definitely marks from the puller, probably a cam type, and a hurried operator.  Or, perhaps an undersize collet (.357).

[RMM]

Not crimping marks.  Definitely marks from the puller, probably a cam type, and a hurried operator.  Or, perhaps an undersize collet (.357).

+1 definitely pull marks.  They are much deeper than those left on the pulled HSTs I have, the jacket appears to be much harder on the HST.  On the HST it did not affect expansion at all (see Raggedyman's video, almost 1" expansion no separation).  I'm going to fire some into 2-liter bottles and see what happens. 

[Rome]

I could not help but buy a one of a kind 10mm. Here is my recent talk to experts at Speer on 10mm GDHP 200 Grain

New LE ammo by ATK Web site has a 200 grain GDHP my search was futile? Can you tell me that Speer does manufacture a 200 grain GDHP in .400 DIA you absolutely positive they don

[Rome]

The depth of the 200 Grain cavity is the same depth as the 180 grain GDHP

[Rome]

George: the product was only sold in 2009, expect built on a work order for a
bid, total sold was ~ 50,000.  Now Not Released for Production in our system.
Coy

-----Original Message-----
From: georgerome@cox.net [georgerome@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 5:02 PM
To: Experts, SpeerAmmo
Subject: RE: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form

[The_Shadow]

Rome, did you purchase some of these bullets from RMR? 

It has been a long time since Speer made the 200gr GDHP for handloaders if at all...They should be producing these for the 10mm Guys! 
CORRECTION...I just rechecked my data from Speer #12, the 200 grain the show is a TMJ data.

However this bullet has a sort of beveled base which were pulled from said to be 40S&W Law Enforcement ammo run.

[Rome]

Just a little history on the RMR Gold Dot HP in .40/10mm
From:  Experts, SpeerAmmo <SpeerAmmo.Experts@ATK.COM>   

Date:  Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:05 PM 

To:  georgerome@cox.net <georgerome@cox.net>   

Subject:  RE: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form 

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George: the last and only sales of the product were in late 2009 from the
records I had pulled this morning.  What is the Lot number, it will appear like
(J09Q24) and it will be on the corner wrap of the 1000 count case and on each
box.
Coy

-----Original Message-----
From: georgerome@cox.net [georgerome@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:46 PM
To: Experts, SpeerAmmo
Subject: RE: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form

They are from ATK. Recently pulled.
On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:48 AM, georgerome@cox.net wrote:
> You have received a contact request from a visitor to your storefront at
ttp://shop.rmrbullets.com:

> I bought 2000 2000 grain GDHP are they from the 1990s or ATK this is what the
Speer Expert Replied?
I bought theses 2000 bullets pulled out of a 9000 bullet lot in excellent
condition after tumble them for a few hours. I am lucky than would you reload
them to 10mm specification?   I have Starline & Double tap nickel plated brass
what would be your recommendations? I have a one of one of a kind that was never
released for production?

---- "Experts wrote:
> George: the Lot number will be on the corner-wrap on the case, looks like
"J23M24" what that number.
> Coy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: georgerome@cox.net [georgerome@cox.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:17 AM
> To: Experts, SpeerAmmo
> Subject: RE: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form
>
> Can you check this product number its been made since 2008        ( 53883
200-gr 40 S&W Gold Dot HP)
> ---- "Experts wrote:
> > George: your search will be futile, we don't make or market a 200 gr Gold
Dot bullet, in 0.400" diameter, not sure we have since the very early 1990's. 
We have a 200 gr TMJ in 0.400" which is only sold in our Blazer loaded
ammunition product part # 3597.
> >
> > Shoot Straight!
> > Coy Getman
> > 2299 Snake River Ave.
> > Lewiston, ID 83501
> > CCI/Speer Sr. Technical Coordinator
> > (866) 286-7436
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: georgerome@cox.net [georgerome@cox.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:34 PM
> > To: Experts, SpeerAmmo
> > Subject: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form
> >
> >
> > George  Rome
> > georgerome@cox.net
> > 21 Bonneville Drive
> > Hampton Virginia 23664 USA
> >
> >
> > Why can I not purchase or find .40/10mm Gold dot ammo or Bullets projectiles
that are 200 Grain speer gold dots in .40/10mm any where? Can we Purchase them
for frloading or factory ammo?

[The_Shadow]

Rome. Welcome to the forum glad your came on board and thanks for the story on the bullets! 

[475/480]

I am going to run some loads thru the chronograph this weekend. I doubt there will be much of a difference in velocity between the 200 gr GD , 200 gr Nosler and 200 XTP but we will see 


Sean