Underwood Ammo

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I've never felt there needed to be any changes to the intentions Kevin's loads were loaded to.  I've just felt he had a sloppy load practice with minimal QC that were putting some percentage of the loads over the top and causing negative issues for some people.

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I sure am interested to see what changes he makes when the time comes.

[sqlbullet]

I don't know that I would characterize them as "sloppy".  But, 800X doesn't meter well.  So even with good reloading practice...Hand weight 10% of the charges thrown, visualy inspect, etc...you are going to get some larger swings with 800X than with Longshot.  And larger swings with Longshot than with AA#9.

But, the swings with 800X are large enough that they certainly cause me concern as well.

[The_Shadow]

Well, Given the current supply status and regulations being changed (California Micro Stamping laws for one), we may see many more things being changed in the near future.    Let's not forget "O"Commie is still in office and they are so underhanded and low down unlawful that they are pulling out any and all stops to disarm Americans any way they can!

Therefore I applaud Kevin for his work at keeping up with his products, their performance, to maintain a happy and content customer base.  He is putting together premium components to assemble premium quality products.  In today's world of business, it is tough to do what he is doing at the price point he is providing his customers.  The small swings we are seeing in powder charge weights are not uncommon to mechanized production practices.  If you want tighter tolerances you need to handload your own to hand weighed match grade specs.  This is what I do for myself!

Heck, locally around here most all the LGS have given up on components, powders and primers...

[DenStinett]

I don't know that I would characterize them as "sloppy".  But, 800X doesn't meter well.  So even with good reloading practice...Hand weight 10% of the charges thrown, visualy inspect, etc...you are going to get some larger swings with 800X than with Longshot.  And larger swings with Longshot than with AA#9.

One of the main reasons I run Accurate Powders
They meter like water
Very consistant

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I don't know that I would characterize them as "sloppy".  But, 800X doesn't meter well.  So even with good reloading practice...Hand weight 10% of the charges thrown, visualy inspect, etc...you are going to get some larger swings with 800X than with Longshot.  And larger swings with Longshot than with AA#9.

But, the swings with 800X are large enough that they certainly cause me concern as well.

My thought(s) is/are;  One shouldn't get larger swings that they wouldn't have planned into the equation to begin with based on the limitations of the charging equipment being used if there was any proper time and thought put into setting up said equipment. 

Obviously in this case we're specifically talking about the most powerfull factory loads in 10mm Auto which are already pushing the envelope (and beyond a good handful of times already) for some firearm makes.  We're talking about basic stuff here, not something insane like verifying the chemical composition and overall makeup of each new lot of powder.

Literally sloppy or not depending on one's own definition and or loose terminology (semantics) there have been negative issues regarding above said ammunition.  Too many in my mind.  Other's opinions will vary.  By the same token I see no excuse for it.

For some it simply won't matter for various reasons, but the main one being the platform they are actually shooting the ammo through.  I highly doubt anyone shooting a Kimber would notice anything out of the ordinary whatsoever other than possibly a primer falling out after firing, but nothing in anyway detrimental to the firearm.  With the Glocks it has gone beyond that, sometimes detrimental to the firearm, and sometimes not (bad smilies,...).  It would be one thing if he had a disclaimer against using that ammo in Glocks.  At of now there isn't and never has been.

Regardless, it seems Kevin has finally decided to take action.  How that works out, time will tell.  No doubt going to Power Pistol in some loads should help to some extent.  Plus there are at least rumors/claims he's making more changes in the future.  What those possible future changes relate to we don't even know yet.

[ccoprdc]

Underwood is the only ammo my selection of 10mm's get fed. Otherwise I might
as well just shoot 9mm or 40S&W. Kevins 10mm is the closest thing to what the 10mm
was meant to be.

[sqlbullet]

Given that the 10mm was meant to be 200 grains or FMJ at 1200 fps, and Kevin gives 1250+ fps for 200 grain HP, I think we can all agree he exceeds what the 10mm was designed to be by spec!

[pacapcop]

Truth.

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Given that the 10mm was meant to be 200 grains or FMJ at 1200 fps, and Kevin gives 1250+ fps for 200 grain HP, I think we can all agree he exceeds what the 10mm was designed to be by spec!

Some were pushing ~1300 FPS from all of 4.75" of barrel (I know you showed "+", I just felt I had to reemphasize ).

As for what the 10mm was meant to do, I look at it more as a "37,500 PSI" kind of thing, and I don't feel it's out of the realm of possibility that 800-X adds to FPS without going beyond the same pressure level as the original Norma Load(s) did. 

Also, I've heard SAAMI may have had the 10mm Auto rated higher at one point and later dropped the PSI levels on it.  I've never quite figured out for sure if that's always just been rumor or not.

[sqlbullet]

I think it was orginally rated in CUP, not PSI.  The two systems are not comparable in how they measure, so there isn't really a way to correlate them.

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IF that's true, I agree.  Not sure if that was really the case though.

[Intercooler]

Glocks can have problems down to BVAC level. Know your firearm and what it can take IMO.

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They do?  I've heard of BVAC problems, but not when it wasn't BVAC's fault.  Is there something I'm missing?

[Intercooler]

BVAC has had some issues. This was in relation to ammo at that level on the low end of 10mm. Their has been issues up and down the range. I'm into the thousands of Underwood Ammo rounds in every caliber from 9mm to .44 Magnum and haven't had my first issue in any platform, grain, bullet, powder, brass, primer. I'm just lucky or something.