Thoughts on the condition of this ?supposedly? new Sub 2000 / 9mm

Kenk · March 27 2023 07:25:15 PM MDT

Hey Current Resident, any issues with your feed ramp? Being plastic, it kind of concerns me a bit

Current Resident · April 01 2023 11:18:23 AM MDT

:-I just love mine in .40sw. The only upgrade mine has seen is a $20.00 laser and a Bushnell optic. It's never had a factory round shot through it. Sometimes I get a surprise with my cheek on the stock and the recoil gives me a bit of a slap. The lighter the round it seems the harder the recoil. I really enjoy mine.

Ken, sorry I didn't see your reply, no not one single issue with any type feeding or function.

The only thing that ever stopped me was one of my reloads got stuck in the chamber. It was a live round, and the pucker factor was elevated as I worked with an RSO on the range trying to get it unstuck.
With the muzzle pointed downrange, we inserted a pie e of brass round stock through the muzzle and thumped it with a hammer.
I believe that the problem was that the case mouth didn't have enough crimp. From that point on I bought FCD from Lee in most of my calibers and not had a problem since.

Kenk · April 01 2023 10:29:05 PM MDT

Evening Current Resident, a few things that really helped mitigate recoil that shouldn?t have been there in the first place are from Missouri Tactical, and found on Amazon, their rubber butt pad - $21.00, and their Buffer Washer, looks like a rubber lifesaver that slides onto the recoil spring for something like $12.00. The final thing to help with it?s straight blow-back system is M*Carbo?s Recoilless weighted / tool - less charging handle. The combination of the 3 things made a night and day difference, and is so much more fun to shoot now. I haven?t shot a lot of blow back PCC?s other than my 1095TS 10mm, which has a shock absorption system built into the butt pad, but has substantially less recoil than the Sub in my opinion. It?s kind of funny, I?ve never thought of a 9 as having much for recoil after shooting lots of .45?s and 10?s over the years, but the Kel-Tec design changed that thought process

https://www.mcarbo.com/kel-tec-sub-2000-recoilless-charging-handle.aspx

Kenk · April 01 2023 11:55:44 PM MDT

It may be that all blow back PCC?s have noticeably more felt recoil, I don?t know, but the combination of Kel-Tec?s hard and sharply shaped butt stock, and metal buffer tube riding on or very close to your cheek are much of its problem

Current Resident · April 02 2023 07:56:55 AM MDT

Quote from: Kenk on April 01 2023 10:29:05 PM MDT
Evening Current Resident, a few things that really helped mitigate recoil that shouldn?t have been there in the first place are from Missouri Tactical, and found on Amazon, their rubber butt pad - $21.00, and their Buffer Washer, looks like a rubber lifesaver that slides onto the recoil spring for something like $12.00. The final thing to help with it?s straight blow-back system is M*Carbo?s Recoilless weighted / tool - less charging handle. The combination of the 3 things made a night and day difference, and is so much more fun to shoot now. I haven?t shot a lot of blow back PCC?s other than my 1095TS 10mm, which has a shock absorption system built into the butt pad, but has substantially less recoil than the Sub in my opinion. It?s kind of funny, I?ve never thought of a 9 as having much for recoil after shooting lots of .45?s and 10?s over the years, but the Kel-Tec design changed that thought process

https://www.mcarbo.com/kel-tec-sub-2000-recoilless-charging-handle.aspx

My trade is Fabrication and Professional Tinkerer. Like yourself I enjoy a challenge and project.
What I did leave out in my post yesterday was that I did put a buffer in it as well as I made a wrap and put it on the receiver tube. The wrap is not pretty, custom cut foam padding set in place with electrical tape. I tried different thickness trying to get an optimal cheek weld, I ended up with a standard 1/8" foam because anything thicker makes it difficult to use the OEM sights.
As far the the buffer, I used a yellow garden hose washer that fit the opening well enough and haven't had a single issue with it.
Last thing I did was tape up the seams on the buttstock because I have a short beard and getting pinched isn't fun.
Glock 22 round mags makes range outings fun and interesting. .40sw rocks and makes me very happy.
Safe shooting everyone.

Kenk · April 04 2023 01:45:01 PM MDT

So is the increased recoil on small calibers like 9mm common on most of these blow back carbines, or is it just a Kel-Tec design thing?

John A. · April 04 2023 04:26:34 PM MDT

Blowback generally tends to have more recoil.

However, if it's tuned properly, isn't as bad as some people make it out to be. When I shoot PCC's, I generally shoot several hundred rounds at a time and enjoy every bit of it.

Kenk · April 04 2023 08:24:12 PM MDT

Thanks John, I was hoping you'd chime in, after changing up a few things, the Sub is a lot of fun, unlike in it?s original factory configuration

Graybeard · April 05 2023 10:00:19 AM MDT

Quote from: John A. on April 04 2023 04:26:34 PM MDT
Blowback generally tends to have more recoil.

However, if it's tuned properly, isn't as bad as some people make it out to be. When I shoot PCC's, I generally shoot several hundred rounds at a time and enjoy every bit of it.

I concur. There's always a bit more felt recoil from recoil operated guns than gas guns. My gas op 10mm AR recoils less than my 9mm JRC recoil operated carbine. Neither are punishing to shoot. It's just the nature of the beast.

Kenk · April 05 2023 09:06:04 PM MDT

Thanks Graybeard, How do you like the JRC 9mm? The prices on them look very reasonable

Graybeard · April 06 2023 06:24:31 AM MDT

I hand some jamming issues with mine when I switched it to left side ejection. Pretty easily resolved. It runs well now and I like the fact it uses my M&P magazines. It's a pain to do a thorough cleaning, though. One of the few guns that can be completely switched from righty to lefty was what attracted me to it.

They don't pay for return shipping on warranty issues, but they do answer their phones and I was talking to a tech in about a minute when I called. I had to file a little off of an internal radius on the ejector plate to solve the jamming problem. He offered to send me another for free if I screwed it up.

Kind of a mixed bag really. Customer service was both poor and excellent. Tough to clean, but very customizable without any add ons.

Kenk · April 06 2023 04:54:50 PM MDT

Thanks, that?s great stuff to know in advance
Have a Blessed Easter

Ken

Kenk · April 06 2023 05:29:36 PM MDT

So they would be willing to switch the ejection port for a lefty if I was willing to pay, correct? That would have been ideal with the Sub 2000, but the brass deflector seems to work ok, drops the brass right at my feet

Current Resident · April 06 2023 06:00:20 PM MDT

Quote from: Kenk on April 06 2023 05:29:36 PM MDT
So they would be willing to switch the ejection port for a lefty if I was willing to pay, correct? That would have been ideal with the Sub 2000, but the brass deflector seems to work ok, drops the brass right at my feet

Really, the brass drops at your feet???
I've seen those in the past but never heard anyone review the brass deflector.
I've thought in the past to make one out of ABS and use a foam 2 way tape to adhere it. Maybe I will do that sometime soon.

Graybeard · April 07 2023 06:59:38 AM MDT

Quote from: Kenk on April 06 2023 05:29:36 PM MDT
So they would be willing to switch the ejection port for a lefty if I was willing to pay, correct? That would have been ideal with the Sub 2000, but the brass deflector seems to work ok, drops the brass right at my feet

Assuming this question was about the JRC. It's convertible from right to left handed by the user. The bolt has to be removed and extractor switched to the other side. Then the ejector plate is switched to the other side and it's then left side eject. The bolt handle can be switched, too. There are slot cuts in the receiver for it on both sides.