Underwood case blowout over on 1911Forums

Intercooler · April 21 2013 08:59:43 AM MDT

My Razorback a similar shot

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Let me grab it and pull the mag out for another photo.

Intercooler · April 21 2013 09:18:56 AM MDT

Based off my untrained eye... doesn't it look like the chamber edges all around on the WC are very rounded compared to my DW? Possibly to aid with better feeding?

Bro KV · April 21 2013 09:28:41 AM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on April 21 2013 08:46:34 AM MDT
I registered and posted a couple of questions there but says waiting for moderator approval. Do we have a WC owner here that can do a support photo?

Without seeing some pics of what that barrel and setup is all about it could be anything. The ammo needs pulled down to see where it is and were these the first two or did the ones prior have bulges but didn't bust?

What happens if the WC barrel is way tight on the brass? Could this left the round hanging out like that to expose the weak area?

I posted the request also for more photos.

LeMat · April 21 2013 12:10:45 PM MDT

Quote from: 4949shooter on April 21 2013 03:57:29 AM MDTWhy don't some of these boutique manufacturers realize this?

Because folks feel the need to have the biggest, baddest ammo on the planet so that they can brag to strangers on the internet about how they have the biggest, baddest ammo on the planet. ${$default_roll_eyes_smiley}$

They'll keep making it as long as folks keep buying it.

Intercooler · April 21 2013 12:23:59 PM MDT

I phoned Kevin up to see if he knew about it.

Kevin is handling anything with the ammo including covering any cost to ship the firearm to WC for inspection/repair and replacement of the ammo. The shooter wasn't hurt, WC seems to be up to task looking his Hunter over. Unfortunate it was Kevin's ammo in there when it happened. This firearm doesn't have a ton of info out there on what the pieces look like but hopefully that thread gets more answers. I was told it was a 180gr that was thought to be the round and recent tests shows the 180's at 1300 FPS instead of the old 1330-1350 FPS.

4949shooter · April 21 2013 12:27:23 PM MDT

Quote from: LeMat on April 21 2013 12:10:45 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on April 21 2013 03:57:29 AM MDTWhy don't some of these boutique manufacturers realize this?
Because folks feel the need to have the biggest, baddest ammo on the planet so that they can brag to strangers on the internet about how they have the biggest, baddest ammo on the planet. ${$default_roll_eyes_smiley}$

They'll keep making it as long as folks keep buying it.

You are right.

Intercooler · April 21 2013 01:10:48 PM MDT

In trying to decipher it all and what to do it boils down to this. If Underwood isn't your thing for one reason or the other use what you feel good with (or load your own) but should we try to make them change for a few? I kind of understand some of the MFG's not changing their core lineup unless something is dangerous. High performance ammo is what it is and for everything else we have the Federals, Winchesters, BVAC, PPU, etc... The economics of competing with the big makers at similar performance wouldn't work.

Intercooler · April 21 2013 01:34:00 PM MDT

Bro,

That thread has went silent and none of my posts made it. Can you ask the round count on that Hunter? It looks like it hasn't been used and I know how my DW was new. I wouldn't and didn't try Kevin's ammo in it until I knew it was broken in and functioning as it should.

Bro KV · April 21 2013 01:39:23 PM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on April 21 2013 01:34:00 PM MDT
Bro,

That thread has went silent and none of my posts made it. Can you ask the round count on that Hunter? It looks like it hasn't been used and I know how my DW was new. I wouldn't and didn't try Kevin's ammo in it until I knew it was broken in and functioning as it should.

Will do

Bumped it.

REDLINE · April 21 2013 01:57:01 PM MDT

I wish we knew which Underwood 10mm load it was and how long ago the rounds in question were manufactured.

I also wish I could say I was surprised the incident happened at all.

I don't think it's so much about Underwood's 10mm ammo being safe within the realm of Underwood's intentions. I do think the reason Underwood 10mm ammo shows the faults on occasion it does is that their quality control is lacking. If my theory is correct and they get QC under control, then all potential furture issues disappear (at least with newly manufacturered round from that point forward). If they don't get QC under control then I see furture issues continuing.

It really is their choice. Whether they choose to make it or not is up to them. That it would seem they don't have QC in order yet at this point is beyond me. Though as we don't know the age of the loads in this most recent mishap, it's also premature for me to suggest.

Time and more answers will tell.

Intercooler · April 21 2013 02:08:10 PM MDT

When I send the next group of ammo down to Shadow I will put a few of the latest 1300 FPS TMJ's in for pull-down.

I read stories such as Clark compacting 800-X and having no issues plus Jay at Elite loading to some crazy extreme without issue. Then we have everything from a BVAC round to an Underwood showing it's ugly head. I'm not crazy enough to try a double charge but in the right firearm I bet it's no issue. Kevin told me he has some new equipment that detects a variance in charge.

4949shooter · April 21 2013 02:13:25 PM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on April 21 2013 01:10:48 PM MDT
In trying to decipher it all and what to do it boils down to this. If Underwood isn't your thing for one reason or the other use what you feel good with (or load your own) but should we try to make them change for a few? I kind of understand some of the MFG's not changing their core lineup unless something is dangerous. High performance ammo is what it is and for everything else we have the Federals, Winchesters, BVAC, PPU, etc... The economics of competing with the big makers at similar performance wouldn't work.

They wouldn't be changing for a few, they would be changing for the entire industry. Let's put safe ammo out there so we can shoot, and our children can shoot. Perhaps Redline is correct, and it is merely a quality control issue over there. The problem is, there are too many KB's with Kevin's ammo in a short period of time. And we can't blame it on the Glocks anymore (or the UPS guy).

I am not saying offer watered down 10mm ammo. Just offer full power stuff within SAAMI specs. This isn't a difficult concept. And if QC needs to be addressed then do so, but this goes for any ammo manufacturer.

REDLINE · April 21 2013 02:13:38 PM MDT

I wonder what equipment Kevin is loading 10mm on. Dillon 1050? Some other progressive press? I'm quite sure he's not doing it single stage like Swampfox used to.

REDLINE · April 21 2013 02:16:15 PM MDT

Quote from: 4949shooter on April 21 2013 02:13:25 PM MDTThe problem is, there are too many KB's with Kevin's ammo in a short period of time. And we can't blame it on the Glocks anymore (or the UPS guy).

Not even just KBs, but serious smilies too. Smilies that were at the very edge of a KB.

Intercooler · April 21 2013 02:30:36 PM MDT

If you feel strongly about it Kevin's Facebook page would be a good place to relay the message.

It actually is changing for a few. Me personally I am fine with it as it is and wouldn't try to change Kevin's product or suggest it. If I don't like it move to say DoubleTap. Maybe the wrong way to put it but that would be like buying a Corvette and telling them to change the engine or put a limiter on it because it's too radical. Phone him up and express your concerns about a change because he will give you an ear. It's tough in the high performance arena it seems.