10mm Long Guns

4949shooter · October 22 2021 02:08:43 PM MDT

Not that I need another excuse to buy a long gun, but I would like to see some more options in 10mm out there.

How about a Mini-14 from Ruger in 10mm? Or a solid AR platform?

Some H&K versions in 10mm would be good to see as well.

Anyone else have any ideas on a 10mm long gun?

sqlbullet · October 22 2021 02:14:26 PM MDT

Is this DIY?

Carcano Cavalry Carbine re barrelled to 10mm using Glock magazines. I never shoot my Carcano, and the 6.5/7.35 Carcano case head is just .025" larger and the extractor has great purchase on a 10mm rim. Maybe even 10mm Magnum...

Factory....I would love to see a Ruger Deerfield carbine in 10mm auto or 10mm magnum.

The_Shadow · October 22 2021 02:46:15 PM MDT

I'd like to see the Marlin Camp Carbine made and chambered for 10mm and using Glock mags...short, smooth, not bulky. (they were originally chambered in 9mm and 45ACP)

Marlin Lever action in 10mm would also be a great one. The 1894 or 336 style are nice. I know Ranger Point will convert a Marlin but you need to supply the rifle for the expensive conversion. ${$default_sad_smiley}$

4949shooter · October 22 2021 03:12:25 PM MDT

Quote from: sqlbullet on October 22 2021 02:14:26 PM MDT
Is this DIY?

Carcano Cavalry Carbine re barrelled to 10mm using Glock magazines. I never shoot my Carcano, and the 6.5/7.35 Carcano case head is just .025" larger and the extractor has great purchase on a 10mm rim. Maybe even 10mm Magnum...

Factory....I would love to see a Ruger Deerfield carbine in 10mm auto or 10mm magnum.

Could be DIY....why not.

The Carcano would be great. I also thought of and discussed with a 10mm enthusiast friend about the Ruger Deerfield. With all the renewed interest in 10mm you would think they (Ruger) would come out with something.

4949shooter · October 22 2021 03:14:20 PM MDT

Quote from: The_Shadow on October 22 2021 02:46:15 PM MDT
I'd like to see the Marlin Camp Carbine made and chambered for 10mm and using Glock mags...short, smooth, not bulky. (they were originally chambered in 9mm and 45ACP)

Marlin Lever action in 10mm would also be a great one. The 1894 or 336 style are nice. I know Ranger Point will convert a Marlin but you need to supply the rifle for the expensive conversion. ${$default_sad_smiley}$

The Marlin Camp Carbine would be another great idea. The 10mm cartridge would be perfect for camp protection out of a long gun.

The_Shadow · October 22 2021 05:22:49 PM MDT

Having carried the Marling lever rifles 357 & 44 out in the field, I can say they are light weight, easy to carry, don't get snagged on things and very smooth functioning! Tube magazines don't take up space or protrude like a regular magazine would. While a magazine change would make for quicker reloading, I have never emptied the tube magazines out in the field while hunting.

The Ruger Deerfield is also a nice option as they were 44mag as I recall, I had written Ruger about making some chambered for 10mm.

4949shooter · October 22 2021 07:55:07 PM MDT

The lever action makes good sense.

I had also written Ruger about the Mini-14 in 10mm. I even suggested they call it the "Mini-10." I received no answer from them.

Guess they aren't listening to us.

Patriot · November 19 2021 10:55:34 AM MST

My dream is to have a lever action 10mm. If I ever get the money, I'll have one converted for sure.

Mike D · November 19 2021 02:54:19 PM MST

Quote from: Patriot on November 19 2021 10:55:34 AM MST
My dream is to have a lever action 10mm. If I ever get the money, I'll have one converted for sure.

I think Ranger Point Precision will convert one but for the cost just buy a 41 mag lever action instead.

It?s been a few years since I looked but I thought it was well over $1k for the conversion plus the donor gun which would cost about $1k as well.

I paid right at $1k for my JM stamped Marlin 1894 in 41 mag.

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Rick R · November 19 2021 07:21:20 PM MST

I?d love a Mini-14 / M1 Carbine-ish 10mm rifle. A levergun in a rimless cartridge is in my mind the same heresy as seven shot revolvers or single trigger SxS shotguns. But a decent magazine fed semiauto would be a useful thing of beauty.

Graybeard · November 20 2021 07:25:01 AM MST

I think we actually need something new in the world of design for good 10mm carbine. I've been kicking around an idea for awhile now. I really like the feel of my gas operated 10mm AR. It's just not reliable. I don't really care for the blowback designs.

So, I've been thinking of something similar to a delayed roller blowback design where the delay is augmented with gas pressure. That way the timing of the action is self adjusting to the power of the ammo. I think a gas piston driven delay system would keep enough junk out of the delaying roller(s) to make it feasible.

Anybody have a bunch of money or a really good machine shop? ${$default_smiley_smiley}$

4949shooter · November 20 2021 04:51:21 PM MST

Quote from: Graybeard on November 20 2021 07:25:01 AM MST
I think we actually need something new in the world of design for good 10mm carbine. I've been kicking around an idea for awhile now. I really like the feel of my gas operated 10mm AR. It's just not reliable. I don't really care for the blowback designs.

So, I've been thinking of something similar to a delayed roller blowback design where the delay is augmented with gas pressure. That way the timing of the action is self adjusting to the power of the ammo. I think a gas piston driven delay system would keep enough junk out of the delaying roller(s) to make it feasible.

Anybody have a bunch of money or a really good machine shop? ${$default_smiley_smiley}$

Or call H&K. Delayed roller blowback designs are their specialty.

And as you said, bring a LOT of money $$.

Graybeard · November 21 2021 06:47:20 AM MST

H&K definitely comes to mind, but what I'm picturing is a pretty radical departure from any of their designs. There's rarely anything truly new in the gun world. I don't believe I've ever heard of any design using gas pressure to delay blowback and time the action, rather than operate it entirely.

4949shooter · November 21 2021 05:19:42 PM MST

Quote from: Graybeard on November 21 2021 06:47:20 AM MST
H&K definitely comes to mind, but what I'm picturing is a pretty radical departure from any of their designs. There's rarely anything truly new in the gun world. I don't believe I've ever heard of any design using gas pressure to delay blowback and time the action, rather than operate it entirely.

The H&K P7M8 used a gas piston delay instead of direct blow back on a handgun. I know this because I was issued one and carried it for 12 years.

H&K has used these designs before. But I get you....you are looking for something new and innovative and I don't blame you.

Graybeard · November 22 2021 05:06:47 AM MST

I've handled a couple of H&K P7s, but never fired one. Neat guns.

What I'm picturing is a self adjusting gas system, similar to the unit on a Browning Gold/Silver shotgun line. Except instead of acting on the bolt, it would act on a delay roller. The object being reliability with any power level 10mm ammo and of course safety. If the gas pressure, like the P7, times the action and keeps it closed, it should work. The piston driven delay would vent under the forestock, like the Browning, and keep heat and crud out of the action.

Just a thought I'll probably never have the money or time to develop ${$default_smiley_smiley}$