Federal's FBI 190gr bonded HP

[Markwell]

     We have a pretty good supply of the old Federal 190gr bonded HP ammo; the FBI load. The load has been around for quite a while and we were wondering if anyone on this forum has shot any game with it and, if so, what were your results/opinion on its' performance.

[Kenk]

Afternoon Markwell,
Being it's a 190gr bonded HP, I'm sure it would work fine for whitetail or other midsize game, however I don't know what the actual bullet looks like or it's manufacture. Given the weight, I would consider loading it up with BE-86 or Blue Dot. I'm sure the others will be able to assist you further.

Ken

[Markwell]

    It's Factory loaded ammo.....Out of our 5" Guncrafter it runs 1181fps.

[The_Shadow]

They are good hunting bullets and deep penetrators.

[Kenk]

I bet they are, Enjoy!

[agtman]

    It's Factory loaded ammo.....Out of our 5" Guncrafter it runs 1181fps.

Bumped this old thread, as this comment interested me. 1181fps out of a 5" barrel is quite respectable for that bullet-weight, given the old Norma standard of "200gns @ 1200fps" from the Bren Ten's 5" tube. With today's hybrid propellants, you could easily get that 190gn bonded slug to 1250fps with less pressure than was achievable in the 1980s.

I'm sitting on a fair sized stash of this old 190gn Federal ammo, but was was never sure of the fps/fpe specs since I don't have access to a chronograph.

Here's what I do know from a conversation I had with some FBI agents back in the day:

It was apparently the Bureau's  alternative 10mm ammo, after the 180gn 10mm 'Lite' load. The agents said Federal had crafted the 190gn bonded load for use in their HK 10mm subguns, spec-ing this ammo to a higher velocity in order to aid function.  However, they also related that senior field agents who still carried 1076s at that time (mid-to-late '90s) preferred  - and apparently were allowed - to load up with this ammo instead of the 180gn Lite stuff.

Again, I was never sure what, exactly, the specs were for this 190gn load shooting it thru my 4.25" Smith 1076, but going by 'plain feel' it definitely felt hotter than the dowloaded 180gn Lite stuff.

Later on in the early 2000s, I read somewhere that this 190gn load clocked at or near 1100fps out of a 1076, but another source said it chrono-ed @ 1050fps.

Has anyone been able to confirm this ammo's velocity out of any other 5" pistols, like a Sig P220 or S&W 1006?

Thanks! 

[The_Shadow]

agtmanThis is what was found in the XM1003A  I think the powder was Silhouette or Win Action Pistol (both the same powder)
https://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/federal-xm1003a-190gr-bonded-tc-jhp-pull-down/msg33146/#msg33146

The FBI got the specifics right (190-grains @ 1090 fps)
FBI load was the Federal 190gr. bonded JHP ( XM1003A ) at about 1050-1090fps from their S&W 1076s

[agtman]

agtmanThis is what was found in the XM1003A  I think the powder was Silhouette or Win Action Pistol (both the same powder)
https://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/federal-xm1003a-190gr-bonded-tc-jhp-pull-down/msg33146/#msg33146

The FBI got the specifics right (190-grains @ 1090 fps)
FBI load was the Federal 190gr. bonded JHP ( XM1003A ) at about 1050-1090fps from their S&W 1076s.

Okay, thanks Shadow!

So we might extrapolate and figure that if the Federal 190gn load is, at max, doing 1090fps from the 1076's 4.25" tube, it's likely over 1100fps from a pistol with a 5" barrel, no? ...  Say, firing it out of a Smith 1006, Delta Elite, or Sig P220 Elite.

[The_Shadow]

With the 5.0" BBL it is very likely to make the 1100 fps, I know there are powders that would push them at 1200 fps fairly easy!
I was getting 1237 fps using the 200 grain Speer Gold Dots with 8.4 grains of BE-86 powder

[agtman]

With the 5.0" BBL it is very likely to make the 1100 fps, I know there are powders that would push them at 1200 fps fairly easy!
I was getting 1237 fps using the 200 grain Speer Gold Dots with 8.4 grains of BE-86 powder

Have you ever used AA#9 with 200gn bullets to get to 1200+fps?

[The_Shadow]

I have with the newer formulations of Accurate #9, it was not as easy with the older formulation that was all microbeads.
AA#9 has under gone several formulations over the years

Older Microbeads AA#No 9 Blend (WC 820 90%, WC 350 10% - 106/94)


Slightly newer was AA#No 9 Blend (IMI No7 20%, WC 820 80% - 118/92)



The newest formula is all flattened ball made specifically as AA#9  since Western Powder made it

[4949shooter]

For what it's worth, I fired a sizeable amount of this ammo through my Glock 20. It felt just as advertised as far as power goes (but what do I know).

I wish I still had more of it, and a chronograph..

[The_Shadow]

4949shooter thanks to you sharing the XM1003A cartridges for the documentation so we could learn what was used...

[4949shooter]

Shadow....anytime.

[Markwell]

     Interesting info....We have a pretty good stash of this 190gr. load.  The 10mm MP5 is a great  weapon with this ammo, as is any handgun...To restate our original question....Anyone shot anything with the 190gr FBI load?