Full power 10mm ammo

[sqlbullet]

You have to keep in mind that Glock sales dwarf companies like Dan Wesson or Fusions.  I would not be surprised to find that more Glocks are sold in an hour than Fusions in a year.  Even if catastrophic failure rates are similar, you will therefore hear orders of magnitudes more examples of Glock failures.

I have a Glock.  It was my most recent purchase, and is not my favorite gun by far.  It is easy for me to shoot well, and is lightweight and reliable.  Like The_Shadow, I shoot mostly hardcast lead from mine, with no issues ever.

[gandog56]

Like I said, all I have to do is hold a Glock and I know I'm not getting one. I don't give a hoot how many Zillion are sold. I don't like the feel, I'm not getting it.

[REDLINE]

Why are so many people scared of full power 10mm ammo.

I don't think most are.  I think it's a question of trusting a manufaturer(s) when they are already pushing SAAMI limits, on top of evidence showing they probably have because of poor quality control.  Give me 37,500 PSI all day long if QC is up to spec.

[gandog56]

I'm not scared of it, since I think both my 1911 type 10mm's  will do them no problem. My problem is a "full power" load is NEVER the most accurate load. At least I have never come across a reloading recipe for a 10mm that was. The most accurate ones happen more towards the middle ranges.

I can NOT probably do a target like this with a full power load.



I mean I hate Glocks, but I think even THEY will stand up to a full power load. But I believe they will leave awful big smilies in the spent cases! Which doesn't matter if you don't reload them.

[sqlbullet]

My Para smiles cases worse than my G29 with a stock barrel.  It is all about the shape of the chamber.

Case heads are larger out of the G29 though.  Overall it is bigger, but the Para barrel has a section that is hogged out and leaves more case head unsupported. In another 20,000 rounds or so I will replace that barrel and the issue should go away.

[DAVIDF]

My Gen 4 Glock 20 with stock barrel & springs, leaves no smiles on fired Underwood ammo. I measured the fired Starline brass from Underwood 180gr TMJ loads &  FC brass from Federal American Eagle 180gr FMJ. Average was the same for both at .433" at .125 inches above the extractor groove.

Based on a very limited testing of only Federal American Eagle & Underwood, the Underwood was much more accurate. Probably the most accurate of anything I've fired out of my 3 Glocks. However, the 20 seems to be more accurate than my 17 & 26.   

[sqlbullet]

In general I definitely agree that max loads are not usually the most accurate loads.  But there are times I would rather have an extra 100 fps than an extra 1" smaller group.  And vice-versa.

More than either max power or max velocity I want max reliability in carry ammo. Neither power nor accuracy do me much good when what I really need is a bang instead of a click.

[RRMan03]

Agree Sql. That click is no good for carry ammo. I carry a high power load but it does go off and I shoot it well. Most of any defensive shooting accuracy is not much of an issue. Be fast and correct is though.And having reliable equipment.

[DM1906]

In general I definitely agree that max loads are not usually the most accurate loads.  But there are times I would rather have an extra 100 fps than an extra 1" smaller group.  And vice-versa.

More than either max power or max velocity I want max reliability in carry ammo. Neither power nor accuracy do me much good when what I really need is a bang instead of a click.

This, exactly.

The two loudest noises you'll ever hear while shooting:  "A bang that should have gone click, and a click that should have gone bang".

[gandog56]

In general I definitely agree that max loads are not usually the most accurate loads.  But there are times I would rather have an extra 100 fps than an extra 1" smaller group.  And vice-versa.

More than either max power or max velocity I want max reliability in carry ammo. Neither power nor accuracy do me much good when what I really need is a bang instead of a click.

Nope, I can't think of anything more than correct placement. 1" can be the difference between a kill shot or not. 100 fps more?.....EH!

But that's me.

[Raggedyman]

That sounds like it makes sense on the surface but in reality, any weapon and ammo combination will yield enough accuracy to fight effectively. If you are shooting 2" groups, you need to shoot faster. Now I know everybody else here except me is a marinerecondeltasealsniper and you're just THAT good, right? Well, if you're shooting 2" groups, you need to speed up. It's called balance of speed and accuracy. You need to shoot as fast as possible while still getting hits to the thoracic cavity. Basically, you're looking to keep those shots inside an 8"-10" circle. In fact, rounds that impact right next to each other may have LESS effect because they are damaging some of the same tissue. One instructor that I trained with did a portion of our training with a sort of "negative target," if you will. Once it was established that we all had the basics down and could keep our rounds on the target (or the backer at the very least), he cut 8" holes from each target and we spent some time shooting *through* the holes. That kept us from worrying about where the holes were. If we got a hit on the paper, we slowed down. If not, we sped up until we got a hit on the paper.

[sqlbullet]

This ^^^

Raggedyman is quoting the exact doctrine I have always been taught.  And man, as a marinerecondeltasealsniper it is a real challenge to shoot so fast I can't keep them in a 2" group.  Need faster lock time on the gun.

[gandog56]

You have to keep in mind that Glock sales dwarf companies like Dan Wesson or Fusions.  I would not be surprised to find that more Glocks are sold in an hour than Fusions in a year.  Even if catastrophic failure rates are similar, you will therefore hear orders of magnitudes more examples of Glock failures.

I have a Glock.  It was my most recent purchase, and is not my favorite gun by far.  It is easy for me to shoot well, and is lightweight and reliable.  Like The_Shadow, I shoot mostly hardcast lead from mine, with no issues ever.

That only explains why you should HEAR about more Glocks going kaboom. It doesn't explain why I have NEVER heard of a Fusion or Dan Wesson blowing up!

[sqlbullet]

That only explains why you should HEAR about more Glocks going kaboom. It doesn't explain why I have NEVER heard of a Fusion or Dan Wesson blowing up!

Here you go:

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/firearms/33068-kaboom-1911-a.html

Now you have heard of a Dan Wesson kaboom.

[gandog56]

Hmmmm, funny they say it was an unsupported portion of the case blew out. My Dan Wesson Razorback pretty much has full support. Earlier version? My Fusion supposedly also has a fully supported ramped barrel. I mean all the people seem to be arguing it COULDN'T bee an unsupported case causing the problem.