Broke Down and got a 6" SS KKM barrel.

[Roguer]

Well, finally broke down and got the G40 a KKM barrel. Basic 6" SS, I had to many instances where a a longer barrel would of interfered in the instances I needed it.  I got use to drawing from my Black Hawk holster with the standard barrel length and well 6" in enough barrel length for me for my 10mm.

Reason I ordered the KKM barrel. Well the XTP bullets are just a little too wide for my wolf ones to load properly. All my other bullets load ok with the wolf barrels, but for hunting I want a fully supported chamber when I use hunting rounds. And also for any potential ammo issues down the road. So far the OEM 40 barrel is loaded with the XTP, but can't use hard cast it as well, I like to keep my options open.

I'll worry later what to do with my spare 10mm wolf barrels, but a few are keepers like the 40 cal conversion barrel. And if I pick up a few used G20s I'll have barrels for them. I'll probably gift a few to people who been borrowing my spare ones. That's how I remembered to order a KKM one, some one returned one of my older lone wolfs from a trip he took.

[The_Shadow]

Roguer are you saying you can't or won't use hard cast in the factory barrel?
I shoot my own cast bullets from my Glock factory barrels with them sized to 0.4015" and quality Carnauba Red lube.

[Roguer]

Roguer are you saying you can't or won't use hard cast in the factory barrel?
I shoot my own cast bullets from my Glock factory barrels with them sized to 0.4015" and quality Carnauba Red lube.

Well I can only use factory loads, I neither have the resources, the skill to make hard cast bullets. Standard factory hard casts and the polygonal rifling usually don't mix well.

To prove my incompet...er ignorance, can the red lube be applied to hard cast factory loads?

[The_Shadow]

Roguer are you saying you can't or won't use hard cast in the factory barrel?
I shoot my own cast bullets from my Glock factory barrels with them sized to 0.4015" and quality Carnauba Red lube.

Well I can only use factory loads, I neither have the resources, the skill to make hard cast bullets. Standard factory hard casts and the polygonal rifling usually don't mix well.

To prove my incompet...er ignorance, can the red lube be applied to hard cast factory loads?

The red lube is applied in the lube groove when sizing so it can't be added to a factory loaded round.

Companies like Underwood are selling their Hard Cast with a RED polymer Paint that is baked on to the cast bullet.  That coating prevents lead to bore contact so no leading!
Other companies are starting to load the PC coated projectiles.  Federal is one such company.

[cphills]

Shadow, This is very interesting as I was wondering is the plastic coated bullets are OK to shoot in guns polygonal rifling. Are there any limitations that you know of? Favorite brand of PC bullets??

[Kenk]

Hey cphills,
Unless I'm wrong, lead is the big one in factory Glock barrels, yet if cleaned a lot, have never been a problem for me

[glennasher]

I used to shoot cast bullets in my M19 Glock, with no ill effects and little leading, if any. I was casting my own with the LEE 356-125-2R mould, it shot and fed great, just like ball ammo (same shape, of course). I don't know how many I shot, but it was quite a few. I just couldn't warm up to the Glock overall, though, and went back to my HiPower or a LW Commander, both of which I was more comfortable with. I had read about the cautions of using lead bullets in my pistol, but figured that if they worked in the many other 9mms I've owned, surely they wouldn't be too bad, and they were not. I kept my pistols scrupulously clean, and don't recall any leading issues from those days.
I was really, really active in several IPSC clubs at the time, and while I wasn't using Glocks, the competitors I was ROing did, and they weren't having any problems, either. Maybe we didn't know any better, but we didn't have any real issues.
When the larger Glocks came out, especially the .40s, we did see a spate of "Glock Smiles" on the cases, due in part to Fiocchi's thin brass (we had a Fiocchi distributor in town and a lot of folks bought that ammo to get started). No one was using 10mm or .45 Glocks, back then (or, mostly likely now). That is not an editorial, just a historical view of those days here in the Louisville area.

[Kenk]

After shooting lead in my factory G20 for some time, I went with the KKM barrel as well. Other than lessening the potential safety issues due to leading, I didn't see a marked difference in accuracy

Ken

[cphills]

Kenk et al,
Thank you! This is good news, I keep my guns pretty clean so I'll worry less about loading/shooting HC Lead or PC in my stock Glock barrels.

[Kenk]

Just scrub it down a lot and you should be good, if you don't it could certainly be an issue

[Roguer]

Well getting the KKM barrel in! Tool 11 weeks about. I'll test out the XTPs in it to see if I get FTFs, if they run ok, I'll order another one that's melonited. I was thinking the threaded barrel maybe, but I got a Lone Wolf and Alpha Wolf ones for had cannon loads and muzzle devices, also find MD aren't practical in the field, and suppressor is out of the question in my state. Still glad I got those two when I did, one keeps getting loaned out for deer season oddly.

Well with my experienced in getting way to many barrels I've learn...GLAD I GOT TO MANY OF THEM SO I GOTS THEM! I ordered a polymer 80 frame so one alpha wolf been designated for that one.

One thing I figured no MATTER WHAT! Keep the OEM Barrel. ITS A COLD HAMMER FORGED for starters and will probably put last your Glock Frame.

Two thing I learned was at least I got barrels that are good enough quality, heck even my SS Lone Wolf is a decent one to have around.

Thirdish thingy with this crazy stuff going I figured I'll keep most my barrels, my brother is thinking of getting a glock 20, so he would get a 6" barrel for hunting, he's seen me down deer with my G40.

Now one thing I want to make clear is I'm not bashing or dishing Lone Wolf or tactic trash talk of them, I just found my more preferred hunting bullet like the XTP is worth using. It just the ramp on their barrels have FTF because of the wider bullet design, not a fault in the manufacturing of their barrels I found, its the bullet design.  Still the Lone Wolf barrels are nicely affordable and usually are available when you want one...usually when there is no pandemic going around I guess. Like my nice 6" 40 conversion barrel, it was affordable, and well it lets me shoot a different cartridge on the same frame, with just the barrel swap!

My Condensed Down Advice for people going to get a Glock 10mm Drop in barrel to cover all bullets I guess would invest in a KKM if you don't mind the long wait times. Me I lived and Learned along the way on this one but not regretting the purchases I made. They were I had the money to burn purchases and a few are always getting used during hunting season. But always keep your COLD HAMMER FORGED OEM BARREL! It will last a super long time as stated earlier.

[Roguer]

KKM barrel feeds the XPT bullets. Forgot to post that, Lone Wolf, Alfa Wolf has a hard time with them.

[Kenk]

Great choice on the KKM, they make an awesome product

[The_Shadow]

Shadow, This is very interesting as I was wondering is the plastic coated bullets are OK to shoot in guns polygonal rifling. Are there any limitations that you know of? Favorite brand of PC bullets??

There are many who use the Polymer coated bullets in their Glock and other polygonal rifled factory barrels.  Also Federal is loading some of these coated bullets in their commercial line up!

[Roguer]

OK...I did it again and got the nitrated barrel same length from KKM. I had some disposable money, and figured I'd dispose of it before some one else had an idea to dispose of it. I wanted a black barrel and having two KKM barrels I think is a good long term investment for my slow 10mm build. I was so impressed by the KKM it was no brainer for another one. This might be the last major fun budget expense.

As for the super long wait time...well I got the KKM SS one already and some Wolf ones as well. (oh poor me.  ) 

I did loan out the original Lone wolf to some one said he needed a SS one. Well I told him watch the extra wide bullets when using it. I'll probably get it back in a month or so. If his canoe goes over and its lost, it won't be a biggie (Still get mift though  ) for me as I got a few others.  He wanted some thing for hard cast and all I have is my 6" barrel. The threaded barrel with a compensater is a nice a short time outing carry but the extra stuff on a barrel for a few weeks in the field would be an extra complication I found. Eventually they get their own extra barrel of some make.

Barrels I'll never loan out are the KKM (in a few months KKMS) and the OEM barrel.

Note I'm not bashing Wolf products, its just that I want to have some thing for the wider bullets, my experience with their CS was pretty nice on a compensater. They replaced that piece of aluminum device, the problem was the comp was going to hit the slide on return, but next time I'll just file it down and use some black gun pen to cover the shiny filings.