44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldowns

[The_Shadow]

What numbers did you get?  BTW the reason the bullet shows dark is because the rounds were tumbled to clean them after they were loaded...

[Intercooler]

Close to 1400 FPS. What would be the purpose of cleaning them post loading?

[The_Shadow]

Just in case there was lube or handling stuff, but it makes the brass shiny! 

[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Prabellum Research (PBR) 240gr Value JSP  (provide by IC)
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1308 fps
Muzzle Energy: 911 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6800"/Dia. 0.4300":  240gr. JSP
Actual weigh 240.8 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.4150" 
Meplat 0.2800"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5755"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4545" Crimp Diameter 0.4450" Length 1.2750"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W 296  23.0 grains

[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester  250 gr. Platinum Tip JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 867 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester Western  (WW Super) – Nickle
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7580"/Dia. 0.4305": Winchester JHP 250 gr.
HP depth:  0.3575" / HP Dia: 0.1575" / HP mouth: 0.2975  (six segments)   
Actual weight 247.2 grains  (exposed lead base) cannelure 0.4180"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5870"
Primer: Large Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4520" (light) Length 1.2795"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 or 296  22.2 grains

[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: UNKNOWN (handload?) 240gr FMJ plated
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: fps (est 1200 fps)
Muzzle Energy: ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington RP - Brass (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6600"/Dia. 0.4305":  240gr. FMJ
Actual weigh 240.2 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.4250" 
Meplat 0.2700"  flat base
C.O.A.L.: 1.5800"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4545" Crimp Diameter 0.4520" Length 1.2810"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Hodgdon Tight Group 8.6 grains

[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: FIOCCHI EXTREMA 200gr XTP (44XTPB25)
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1490 fps
Muzzle Energy: 985 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 6000"/Dia. 0.4310": XTP 200gr
HP Depth: 0.1050" / 0.1770" (rounded)  cannelure groove: 0.4180"     
Actual weight 200.0 grains  (flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5900"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4515" (medium) Length 1.2760"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Hodgdon HS-6 15.6 grains

[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Freedom Munitions 240gr XTP (FM44X240N)
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1290 fps
Muzzle Energy: 886 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: X-Treme - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 7075"/Dia. 0.4305": XTP 240gr
HP Depth: 0.0975" / HP Dia.: 0.1760" (rounded)  cannelure groove: 0.4185"     
Actual weight 240.4 grains  (flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5895"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4550" (medium) Length 1.2750"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Tight Group 10.2 grains









X-Treme is suppose to start sell powders soon with their own naming convention...

[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sig Sauer Elite Performance V-Crown 240gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 900 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Sig Sauer  SIG - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 7245"/Dia. 0.4300": JHP 240gr
HP Depth: 0.1800" / HP Dia.: 0.1760" (tapered)  crimp groove: 0.4265"     
Actual weight 240.4 grains  (flat base)( not crimped in low cannelure groove) 0.4260"     
C.O.A.L.: 1.5825"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4525" (medium) Length 1.2750"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / W296 22.0 grains

[REDLINE]

1st I want to shoot out a huge THANKS to all involved with these ammo pulldowns!!!  I know I speak for others too that it's much appreciated!  You guys rock!

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Ted Nugent 270gr Uni-Cor JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1542 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1356 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: NUGENT - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7700"/Dia. 0.4300": 270gr. Uni-Cor JSP
C.O.A.L.: 1.5940" / 1.5940"
Primer: Nickel color
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge ?? H-110 or 296 ?? Weight: 22.0 grains  (Lighter in color and has some yellow dust in the mix)

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo  240gr  Hornady XTP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1550 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1280 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7035"/Dia. 0.4300": 240gr.Hornady XTP
C.O.A.L.: 1.5930"
Primer: Brass color
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ?  21.4 grains

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Wolf Ammo  240gr JHP Gold
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1542 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1266 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7180"/Dia. 0.4290": JHP 240gr.
Actual weight 240.8 grains   (some black sealant)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5970"
Primer: Brass color
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ?  ? 23.4 grains *  (very fine flatten ball)(similar to H-110 / 296 performance by weight)

Did anyone happen to get actual velocities on the above 3 quoted loads with their personal revolver?  If so I'ld be very interested in knowing the details. 

Intercooler;  I saw your reply #46 in this thread where you stated;  "I have Ted Nugent 270's on the way to test and pull down."  Did you get chronograph results on those with your Redhawk?

Wish we had positive powder IDs on those loads.  Wish there was a simply way for us to positively ID primers too.  Oh well, can't have everything.

[Intercooler]

Yup! All of them have been tested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wVUEEK67EJh_udjEp_eeRmqC0bIUS2Ibjp10MXWPMVk/edit?usp=docslist_api

[REDLINE]

Thanks Intercooler!  A few observations;

The Wolf load turned out to be a disgrace.  I couldn't believe the advertised velocity numbers to begin with and your testing showed my suspicion was correct.  Maybe they did their velocity testing from a rifle barrel length.

What really got me potentially interested in the Ted Nugent load was TheShadow posting an advertised velocity of 1542fps but I see in the spreadsheet you showed advertised velocity of 1456fps.  Still impressive if it were true, but of course it wasn't.   Doesn't matter much anymore though since that load isn't available anymore according to the Ted Nugent Ammo website.  In 44MAG they now only offer a 180gr load.

Seems the Underwood load isn't available anymore either.  It was impressive compared to most factory loads I see.  Would be nice to know the powder they were doing it with, and at what pressure level.  This was another load that you and TheShadow claimed different advertised velocities on by 50fps, but not a big deal.  A Nosler bullet load seems to have replaced it.  Underwood claims;
Technical Information
•Caliber: 44 Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 240 Grains
•Bullet Style: Nosler Jacketed Hollow Point
•Case Type: Ducta-Bright 7a Nickel Plated Brass

Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
•Muzzle Energy: 1199 ft. lbs.


I'ld be curious to see the results of this new Underwood Nosler bullet load in ballistic gel and if Underwood is loading it with equal specs and components to the old XTP load.

Thanks again for all the awesome data to all who have provided it!

[The_Shadow]

There are plenty recipes for the 44 Mag and many using the H-110/W 296 across the bullet various weights.  It has been the most widely used powder in the 44 Magnums.  When you study the data the test gun and barrel length need to be considered with the posted velocities.  For example Hodgdon list their 44Mag data tested from a 8.275" with a 1:20" twist.  Their 357 Magnum is shown using a 10" with a 1:18.75" twist.  They don't mention if they are fixed barrels in a universal receiver, which they probably are at Hodgdon.  Speer Manuals will show their data fired from a production gun and barrel...

So when we shoot the ammo over a chrony we may not see the same velocity.

[paul105]

Recently ran some Buffalo Bore and Underwood 305gr ammo over my then new Labradar.  Guns/bbl lengths - 2 3/4" S&W M69, 4 1/4" S&W M69 and 7 1/2" Ruger SRH.  Thought the results might be of interest:

Buffalo Bore, 305 LBT LFN HC rated 1,325 fps
Underwood, 305 LFNGC Plated (HiTech?) rated 1,325 fps
LabRadar muzzle velocity at 33 deg F Buffalo

S&W M69 2.75" ===> BB 1,195 fps ===> Under 1,147fps
S&W M69 4.25" ===> BB 1,276 fps ===> Under 1,248 fps
Ruger SRH 7.5" ===> BB 1,395 fps ===> Under 1,315 fps

Paul