HELP? 10mm gas check loading....

[Popapi]

Guys I'll be up in Alaska hunting moose and caribou in late August and early September. Need some advice on some hard cast lead bullets that won't lead the barrel up on my G20 with BarSto. Looking for something that would be good on game such as brown bear for protection. Was looking at DTs Wide Flat Nose Gas Checks and also Underwoods factory loads also.

[The_Shadow]

Yes the DT 2130 grain  WFN cast bullet has a gas check the underwood does not

DT 230 WFN Pull-Down http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/double-tap-230gr-hard-cast-pull-dowm/msg25315/#msg25315

DT 200 WFN Pull-Down http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/double-tap-200gr-wide-flat-nose-hard-cast-gas-checked/msg28270/#msg28270

Underwood 230 WFN Pull-Down http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-220gr-cast-wfn-1230-fps-pull-down/msg22946/#msg22946

[Popapi]

Will either lead the barrel? Trying to minimize that.

[agtman]

Does anyone make these "heavy & hot" HC loads using the powder-coated boolits?

[The_Shadow]

Will either lead the barrel? Trying to minimize that.

There are less chances with the gas check from DT, but will likely be fin in that Bar-Sto Barrel

[Popapi]

Will either lead the barrel? Trying to minimize that.

There are less chances with the gas check from DT, but will likely be fin in that Bar-Sto Barrel

Ok thanks!

[puke]

Guys I'll be up in Alaska hunting moose and caribou in late August and early September. Need some advice on some hard cast lead bullets that won't lead the barrel up on my G20 with BarSto. Looking for something that would be good on game such as brown bear for protection. Was looking at DTs Wide Flat Nose Gas Checks and also Underwoods factory loads also.

First of all, use the bullet that will do the job the best....and just remember to keep your gun clean.

Second... (I'm sure you've heard this a million times)...you really should come up with a bigger gun if you are going to tangle with a brownie. Even if you could borrow a 454 or 500 or 44 mag w/buffalo bores...you would be better off. They say many times you never get a second shot.

[cwlongshot]

Guys I'll be up in Alaska hunting moose and caribou in late August and early September. Need some advice on some hard cast lead bullets that won't lead the barrel up on my G20 with BarSto. Looking for something that would be good on game such as brown bear for protection. Was looking at DTs Wide Flat Nose Gas Checks and also Underwoods factory loads also.

First of all, use the bullet that will do the job the best....and just remember to keep your gun clean.

Second... (I'm sure you've heard this a million times)...you really should come up with a bigger gun if you are going to tangle with a brownie. Even if you could borrow a 454 or 500 or 44 mag w/buffalo bores...you would be better off. They say many times you never get a second shot.

Welcome Puke!

NOT, to rehash this whole thing again...  BUT... 

That's the entire reason the 10 gets a nod. It ALLOWS for repeated shots!! Its mag holds 15 in std form. NO you will likely not be able to use all of them, but its a nice piece of mind, knowing you have more then five...  Its recoil and ability to keep shots on target are better for more people. YES, its less powerful. Ill take hits to misses any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Have you shot a 454 or 500?  I have, quite allot too and BOTH of these things recoil ALLOT more than my heaviest 10mm loading!! I can pretty easily get two shots off from the 10, on target, faster then I can get one with either of the super calibers.
IF, you can get that cannon into action your quite NOT likely to have the experience confidence or our right ability to use it effectively. WHY? Because its expensive to shoot. Because it recoils allot. Because its NOT allot of fun to shoot. Because of these things most folks DONT shoot them enough to become really proficient let alone proficient to utilize them under the stressful situation of a bear charge.
This is simply nearly universally the opposite with the 10mm esp in a Glock where recoil is a powder puff. Especially in comparison. The costs are far less, the recoil well I just said its allot less and easily within the wheel house of the 10 MM shooter. This equates into a caliber that has a far greater likely hood to be shot more and more often raising the efficiency levels to a safer margin.

As a hunting handgun, for bears yes hands down you want bigger then the favored 10MM. That 454 would be my choice personally. I have a couple carbines and a FA in 454. I am a big 45 fan and never liked the 43 magnum. But this is not that, this is defensive use.

CW

[puke]

When I said you may not get a second shot...I was referring to how fast bears are. I don't have a personal experience,...but have read over and over that you REALLY need something that you won't need a second shot on.

I think when the ruger alaskan first came out..there was an account where a man used it in alaska and the bear he shot fell past him as it went down....GOOD THING IT WAS GOING DOWN!

[sep]

I'm convinced you need to penetrate the skull, neck vertebra or spine to stop a charging bear. Whatever caliber you can accurately do that with under stress is probably your best choice. A body shot on a large brownie with a 454, 460 or 500 isn't necessarily going to stop the charge.

I'm certainly no bear whisperer but I have stuck bullets in six brown bears. One by myself and five others backing up friends. So, I have seen firsthand how they react to being hit with large caliber rifle bullets. It's not impressive. If you wanna stop em, you need to disrupt the CNS.

A number of well respected guides and hunters up here in Alaska recommend a 357 Magnum or larger to penetrate a bear's skull, neck vertebra or spine. One guide protected his clients this past summer on the Alaska Peninsula with a 9mm shooting Buffalo Bore hardcast bullets. It's what he had at the time. Another fisherman stopped a charging sow with a 10mm after shooting six times if I remember correctly. He finally hit her in the head which stopped her. Stuff like this happens almost every year up here.

I handload 200 grain WFNGC and I have some WFNPB to test out this spring in my 10mms. Whichever shoots most accurately out of my pistols will be what I load more of and carry when fishing, dipnetting, bear baiting etc. this coming summer. Whichever hardcast factory load like the ones Shadow recommended you're comfortable with and functions in your pistol will work fine. I don't think leading will be a big problem with your barrel. If it does get leaded, just give it a good cleaning and you're good to go. There are other options for handloading too.

Best of luck to you hunting up here this fall. I'll either be hunting Moose or chasing Brown Bears...haven't decided yet. Depends on what my huntin buddy is up to do this year.