Lighter 10mm

[Texashogman]

It's been a while since I've been here on the forums

I have the ria 52000 -6" beast--
It's just to heavy for me to carry as a sidearm when hunting.

Looking for other lighter options.

My 52000 is fabulous when it comes to accuracy and my 200wfn hardcast handloads clock around 1350 and the 180xtp are about 1400

What other options are there out there? I prefer a ds semi auto, g20, g40, xdm? Any others?
If I got a glock I'd probably end up getting an aftermarket barrel for cast bullets.

I hear the stock glocks are slightly more accurate than the xdm's -- has that held true ?

I'm not totally against a ss, but most seem to be a bit on the heavy side ( all steel guns)

[woods_walker]

I carry a G20, a custom alloy frame 1911 (govt size), or a Browning HP on a daily basis. There is a Delta Elite that used to be part of that rotation until I got older and decided that fullsize stainless steel 1911's are HEAVY!

A Commander-size 1911 is a great choice for EDC and the can be found in multiple chamberings- 9,10, .45, etc. My wife carries a G19 every day- 15 rounds in the gun, 15 on her left hip, and another mag in her purse. She is 5'3" and somewhere around the half-century point.
What you carry ultimately comes down to what you enjoy shooting, what feels good in your hand, what you can afford, and what- if any- cartridge needs apply to your daily life.
As to Glocks and cast bullets... I have been shooting cast out of my stock-barrelled Glocks since I bought my first Glock in 1988. My 1994 G20 sees about 10,000 rounds down the barrel a year. About 60% of those are cast.  There is nothing inherently dangerous about shooting cast in a Glock if you follow the same cast bullet guidelines you would follow for any other gun-

1. Shoot quality ammo;
2. Shoot bullets that are sized correctly for YOUR barrel and are of sufficient Brinnell to account for velocities found in auto pistols. Remember, this is not Grandpa's old .25-20 Peacemaker you're loading for!
3. Shoot bullets with a high quality lube (correct lube is half the battle for all cast bullet shooting)
4. If you cannot work out items 1-3, shoot powder-coated bullets. The Hi-Tek coating is the greatest thing to happen to cast bullets since... well... brass cases!

As to Glocks vs. XDs for accuracy? It's Ford or Chevy, the chicken or the egg, .270 Winchester or .30-'06. Figure that one out for yourself- I ain't going there! ROFLMFAO!!!

[The_Shadow]

I like my G-29 10+1 for carry, and don't worry much about cast bullets in the factory barrel.  I shoot my cast bullets through the factory barrel but I do have aftermarket barrels as well.
Its smaller size and lighter weight helps will carrying it.  I will say I run mine with a non captive Wolff dual recoil rod and 21 lbs recoil spring.  Mine is the version just before the SF came out.

Good luck with your choices!   

[sqlbullet]

Second Shadow.  I carry a G29 with a Pearce +2 grip extension as my typical EDC, thought the last few days the Witness has been getting the nod.

The G29 gives me 12+1 on tap, with a couple of Glock 20 mags with +2 baseplates in my bag.  47 round total to fight my way to the rifle I never should have put down.

[Texashogman]

Not really interested in EDC, this is a sidearm for hunting --- looking more for full size or extended barrel -- dont want to loose too much velocity over what I have now.

Anyone compare the xdm to the glock personally? I know they grip angles are different,  I have heard the xds 5.25"barrel speeds are similar to the 6" glocks-- the only video review I have seen shows that the glock seems to be more accurate

I know aftermarket barrels in 10mm are avail fir the glocks, but I have yet to see any fir the xd's

[Texashogman]

What about the witness P ? I dont kniw much about them but they seem to have a few models avail

[blaster]

I have both a Witness Steel and a 4.5" XDM. the witness is a LOT heavier then the XDM. but that's not much of a problem when carried in a chest holster. because of its weight, the Witness is more pleasant to shoot. the XDM has a little more felt recoil but the same loads chronograph faster out of it. (coincidence ?)  there are more aftermarket accessories for the Springfield. I put a Vortex Venom holo sight on mine. its my main hunting 10mm. I like and carry both.  the Witness is my EDC truck gun. and I also carry it when hunting.

[sqlbullet]

If weight is your objection to your 52000 but otherwise the form-factor fits you, then I would look at a Witness P-Match or P Match Pro on a budget, or a STI Nitro 10 if you aren't concerned about price.

Full-size guns with poly frames.  Both will be solid performers.

[ss30378]

The velocity difference you get will vary based on the load you're using and the individual barrels characteristics.  I have a 5" sr1911 with a fusion barrel and a g40 with a 7"kkm barrel and ran some loads through each of them over the chronograph to check velocity difference between the two.  With my 220g aa9 loads the 1911 ran 1290fps and the g40 ran 1330fps (20fps per inch loss).  Then I ran some 180g 800x loads and they went 1423fps in the 1911 and 1531fps in the g40 (54fps per inch difference). 

Many times i've seen a shorter tighter barrel run higher velocity than a looser longer barrel.  The factory g40 barrel has the loosest chamber of my barrels then the sr1911 and kkm g40 barrel are very similar in chamber dimensions, finally the fusion barrel is by far the tightest chamber. 

The factory g40 and factory ruger barrels give very similar velocities even though the g40 is an inch longer.  The fusion barrel is anywhere from 20-50fps faster than the 2 factory barrels depending on load and the 7" kkm gives the highest numbers.

[woods_walker]

The velocity difference you get will vary based on the load you're using and the individual barrels characteristics.  I have a 5" sr1911 with a fusion barrel and a g40 with a 7"kkm barrel and ran some loads through each of them over the chronograph to check velocity difference between the two.  With my 220g aa9 loads the 1911 ran 1290fps and the g40 ran 1330fps (20fps per inch loss).  Then I ran some 180g 800x loads and they went 1423fps in the 1911 and 1531fps in the g40 (54fps per inch difference). 

Many times i've seen a shorter tighter barrel run higher velocity than a looser longer barrel.  The factory g40 barrel has the loosest chamber of my barrels then the sr1911 and kkm g40 barrel are very similar in chamber dimensions, finally the fusion barrel is by far the tightest chamber. 

The factory g40 and factory ruger barrels give very similar velocities even though the g40 is an inch longer.  The fusion barrel is anywhere from 20-50fps faster than the 2 factory barrels depending on load and the 7" kkm gives the highest numbers.

You made some excellent points here. Most people don't believe that a G29 can be loaded with different powders than might be used in a G20, and still have muzzle velocities that are nearly identical to the longer barrel of the G20. I have a Jarvis barrel for my G29 that is 4.20"- just slightly shorter than a stock G20. Shooting the same ammo in both guns gives me increased MV from the G29 on the average of 60 FPS. Different chamber, different rifling, different steel, different everything.
This is why I have always told people that when you are talking 10mm Auto, quit trying to play the velocity game. Get a pistol that feels good in YOUR hand and feels good when you shoot it. AFTER you get the gun and do the break-in process is when you start chasing accuracy loads.

And you guys know that the fastest load is rarely the most accurate one.

[Texashogman]

I kinda like idea of the  the xdm  osp, 4.5" slide but 5.3" barrel and I hear the xdm barrels show higher velocity than others...comes with the mos plate system and is 32 oz empty, almost a pound lighter than my RIA..its threaded so a comp could be added if one preferred or even a quieting device for range fun.

Just wonder about accuracy of the xdm vs the RIA as my 52000 is the most accurate handgun I own as of right now.

[DenStinett]

I know it's a bit heavy, but I still carry my 10mm Witness Semi Compact DuoTone:


If not the Witness, then I carry the 9mm CZ 75 Semi Compact DuoTone:


After carrying my Delta Gold Cup
The witness isn't a big deal:


What can I say .... I like Steel Guns !