Winchester PDX1 Defender 230gn 45 auto vs the Ranger T 230gn

[Kenk]

Morning, any thoughts on the differences between Winchester's PDX1  230gn 45 auto, and the Ranger T 230gr
Thanks

Ken

[The_Shadow]

Well the Ranger T is suppose to be the same as the Black Talon without the black Lubealoy coating.  The Ranger T will have the sharper claws as the bullet expands and was sold as Law Enforcement Ammo.
The PDX1 will show more rounded points on expansion, other than that they would be very close to the same.

[Kenk]

Thanks Shadow, I just came across the below URL, but haven't researched what the guy is saying

Ken

https://www.usacarry.com/forums/handgun-ammunition-and-reloading/17408-black-talon-ranger-t-bonded-pdx1.html

[Rojo27]

To expound on the differences.

Ranger T: (copied from old "handguns mag.com" article)
The SXT bullet features a reverse taper jacket tube and a design that actually calls for the bullet core to slip in the jacket to some degree when the bullet encounters resistance. The base of the lead core is exposed while the jacket is crimped around it. The nose of the jacket features serrations that create six petals, the points of which are crimped into the deep hollow point during the swaging process. SXT bullets tend to exhibit classic, photogenic expansion while retaining all of their starting weight, and they offer deep penetration as well. When the bullet encounters resistance in the target, the six petals open up and expose the sharp cutting edges while the lead core moves forward and peels back over the lower portion of the petals to keep them from breaking off.

PDX1:
True bonded bullet. 

[Kenk]

Thanks guys,
So it's relatively safe to say the 230gr PDX1 would be a viable carry rd

Ken

[Rick R]

The SXT can be purchased in normal or bonded flavor, the PDX1 is bonded.  Supposedly, allegedly, the SXT has sharp jacket tips where the PDX1 doesn't, I haven't noticed a difference.  I carry the PDX1 in my 9mm when traveling.  Great accuracy, good reviews, available and not too expensive.

We need Winchester to introduce a 10mm PDX1.

[Kenk]

Absolutely : )

[Rojo27]

So it's relatively safe to say the 230gr PDX1 would be a viable carry rd

In a duty sized pistol or larger I wouldn't have any qualms about carrying the PDX1  in 45 or 9mm.
Lots of ballistics tests of them available and they work great if barrel length is sufficient to let them get up enough steam. Note link to Lucky Gunner tests....https://www.luckygunner.com/winchester-45-acp-ammo-for-sale-45acp230jhppdxwinse-20#geltest.     LG used a compact pistol for their  tests.
Again, I carry PDX1 on occassion in 9 & 45 when carrying full sized pistol as they perform well in every test I've seen when fired out of full sized pistol. 

[Kenk]

So considering I would be using these in my G30 SF with a 3.78 inch barrel, the PDX1 may possibly not be the best option
Thanks

Ken

[Kenk]

I'm currently using Underwood's 185gr +P bonded HP in the G30

[Rojo27]

One guys opinion which is worth just what you paid for it.  However, I'd draw your attention to Lucky Gunner 45acp test protocol in earlier message.  They used a 3.64" barreled Kahr and you can compare the results. 

I wouldn't hesitate to carry PDX1 in 45acp in 4.5" barrel or longer, but personally see others on that list I'd prefer to carry in a 45 of that size. 
If it was me and I was caring 45acp of that barrel length, I'd personally be more comfortable with one of these choices...
230gr Ranger T
230gr HST
180gr Golden Saber
230gr Golden Saber
180gr Gold Dot
230gr Gold Dot Short Barrel

[Kenk]

Thanks Rojo, plus I have a bunch of 230gr HST's on hand. What are your thoughts on Underwood's 185gr +P bonded for that weapon
Thanks man!

Ken

[Rojo27]

What are your thoughts on Underwood's 185gr +P bonded for that weapon

Underwood uses Speer Gold Dots for his bonded bullets.  If you can can handle (be fast & accurate) the Underwood +P; I'd say it's an excellent choice 👍.  The +p would likely get velocities back up to what you might see out of a standard loaded 185gr Gold Dot in a duty sized pistol.  185gr Speer Gold Dot was an excellent performer in LG testing. 
I'd be comfortable carrying 185gr +P Gold Dot in a compact 45. 

PS. 
Just noticed a new video from our old friend Andrew posted a couple days ago on 230gr Gold Dot Short Barrel tested from a compact 45....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qg-IKr3hmg

[Kenk]

Great video, Thanks Rojo