Need your knowledge and help to make a decision

[4949shooter]

I am 56 and have had 3500 plus rounds through my Gen 3 Glock 20 and my Gen 4 Glock 20 each. If weight is your consideration I would suggest the Glock 20.

I have a Glock 40 as well. It shoots great, especially with my older hands and wrists. But it's heavier and more unwieldy to carry.

So for a backup gun to your hunting weapon....G20 all the way. She isn't pretty, but she works.

[Rojo27]

There is a Austrian dealer / Doubleaction from Vienna, who said you can´t ride a Glock 20 or 21 with full house loads in general.
Those two pistols, with the heavy slides, will cause damages with high pressure rounds after a while.

He says (I try to translate): "The slide gets bend after a while, and then the loading indicator gets thrown out every second or third shot."

With all due respect to Mr. Doubleaction; he is quite mistaken and his advice in this case is incorrect.  I'm anything but a Glock fanboy as my Glock is my least favorite 10mm.  However, I do carry a 10mm as a backup handgun when hunting and the ONLY one I use in that capacity is the Glock 20.  Now it's the Gen 3SF.  It's proven it's worth in those situations a number of times over the years (very successfully).  In that role I only use full house 10mm ammo (most of the time in training and exclusively when hunting and as a back up).  It's never, every had a problem with the full house loads (probably around 1,000 of them so far) and I have in the past an will in the future trust my life to it in these very situations.  To me it's simply a tool, and it's reasonable weight, reliability and fact that it's not a finely crafted work of art give me comfort when hunting in rough environments where it's likely to get a good bit of abuse. 

Again, this is just my choice for the best tool for the same job you described.  If I was looking for the sweetest shooter, a work of art, race gun or the most accurate pistol I could get my hands on, I'd go a very different way. 

Based on the application and choices you listed; I'd advise you to go with either the Glock or XD....  Pick the one that fits your hand and your most comfortable with and get to hunting. 

Good luck!

[Mike D]

Are you restricted in your method of carry while hunting? By that I mean can you use any holster or are there restrictions on what holsters can be used?

If not there are many options available that make a larger gun easy to carry. I personally am like you and need a red dot style sight on my handguns due to poor up close eyesight.

I carry a Glock 20 long slide that I assembled myself long before the Glock 40 was available. I carry it in a drop leg holster although I have been considering switching to a cross draw chest rig such as a Gunfighters Inc Keani model. The 10mm benefits well from the longer barrel of the G40.

I'm also not sure what restrictions exist on importing holster from the US.

EDIT: Shame on that guy for telling you those lies about the 10mm Glock. I've been shooting/carrying a 10mm Glock variant for over 20 years with tens of thousands of full power + loads with absolutely no ill effects whatsoever. Rest assured the Glock is MORE than capable of handling full power 10mm loads and then some.


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[Kenk]

Absolutely, my G20 has never had an issue with large amounts of Underwood's hottest

[PCFlorida]

Nope, my G20 and G29 have never had issues with Underwood either.

[gnappi]

And also getting used to the red dot.

I´m a IPSC shooter and RO, and when I see someone rotating his gun in front of his face after the "BEEP!", I know exactly that he is not used to his red dot.

That´s what I mean, when I say I have to get used to it.
Pull the gun, present it to the target and the dot has to be there.
That takes some training.

Sage Dynamics has a great video about that learning process on youtube.


But BTT:
I´m still hoping someone who has a EAA P Match Pro (polymer pistol with DA/SA) will join this party.
I´d really love to hear how durable and reliable it is.

I´m used to the CZ plattform and love it (had and still have a couple of them).
CZ offers no 10 over here, so the Tanfo would be my first choice I guess.
But No. 1 is reliability and durability as a hunting back-up gun, so if someone could bring in infos/experience about that it would be a blast.

I'm a long time Tanfoglio user but I've always preferred steel to their (or anyone's) polymer. Durability of their 10's? I've read of a few with slide cracks, but my fairly high mileage Witness (EAA importer of Tanfoglio in the U.S) 10 compact has not had any issues.

Of all the 10's I've owned and shot, to me the most elegant, ergonomically designed 10mm made is the Tanfoglio hunter, nothing else comes close. I'd take it afield over a rifle any day and save the weight burden of two guns unless I'd be in big bear country, then I'd take a big bore revolver or 7 mag bolt rifle :-)

I haven't read of the weight differences between the hunter with the weight relieved slide and uncut slide versions but I suspect the weight relieved slide model will be a couple of ounces lighter.

Regarding dot sights, I read a tip on another forum about dot training, putting a piece of black tape over the front lens is a good training tool to learn to use the red dot.

[Bongo Boy]

I have a G20 (Gen 3 I guess), an EAA Witness Hunter (6") and and XDM in the 5" size. I shoot only handloads so my experiences may be due as much to handloads not being appropriate for the gun as anything.  The G20 is by far my least favorite, and in fact I'll likely give it away to the first person I meet who says they 'like it'. The EAA Witness has been far more reliable, but this is an all-steel gun that's nothing like what you're after--but as a brand (Tanfoglio of course), if the quality, fit and finish is representative of their other products, I wouldn't hesitate to get a polymer model if I needed another one.

The XDM, so far, is my number one choice for what I consider a 'full size'.  It's by no means an ideal fit, but the performance has been flawless so far (but, not even 1,000 rds thru it, so a bit early to go all crazy with enthusiasm).

I think if I lived where Glocks were plentiful and the dominant thing available, I'd likely go that way.  I've never had any issue with my G29, which has been my primary carry for many years. The G20 and I will simply never get along, but your experience could be totally different--I think the experience of most shooters is far more positive.  For me, the G20 isn't even remotely carryable--as a hunting backup or for any other purpose. BUT, consider that, if you can find a comfortable and accessible way to carry it, a full-size package is probably something you can more reliably get a hold of and present on target than a little pop gun.

Of course, you asked "of these options" and someone always suggests something that isn't listed as an option--in that tradition, let me just throw "357 revolver" out there. There, I've done it.

[Kenk]

Nice writeup Bongo Boy, Thanks!