Getting the 10mm hunting guns ready and dialed in.

Started by Ramjet, October 31 2022 02:33:32 PM MDT

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Ramjet

I cast a 200 grain WFN GC bullet for my 10mm. I have a Hornady progressive press setup just for 10mm to keep my guns fed. I got rid of few so now I am down to 4 carbines and 3 handguns.

The hunting is a Glock 40 with a KKM 7? barrel and a Vortex Optic.
I loaded the 200 grain over AA#7 and it chronograph at;
1242 FPS average from the Glock Model 40 mentioned above.
1357 FPS average from a Mech Tech carbine.

I also did some testing in water soaked news print. Setup at 50 yards.

The setup; all magazines and news print were water soaked over night. They were setup in tray and a 1-gallon jug of water at the end of those 24? of water soaked paper. The hits were off the edges and closer to center but separated. You can tell good disruption by the entrance and a blowback sort of pattern. The damage was about 4? in diameter for the first  6-7? the  tapered off and both the Glock and Mech Tech went through the 24? of water soaked media and into the water jug. There was very little expansion as these as cast are about 16 BNH. But some good performance and comparing it to a known bullet and caliber that I use for hunting these two cast bullets from the 10mm stacked up well with similar charectoristics plus better penetration.

I might mention accuracy is very good.

The velocity is close even though the carbine has much more barrel length. I have seen this before with factor ammo in these two guns. Efficiency of the 10 mm won?t give you great velocity gains over a 7? barrel. But longer shoulder gun is generally more accurate.

The_Shadow

That 7" bbl seeming to add to the velocity gains!
I have used some AA#7 in the past and still have some on the shelf.

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Kenk

Thanks Ramjet, I have several different options I?m considering  for the MN opener next weekend, those being Underwoods  200gr XTP, 180gr Gold Dot, 180gr Fenix, and some UW 150gr Xtreme Hunter copper solids, and lastly, some UW 200 and 220gr hard cast, which I haven?t considered until now. Im sure the hard cast would zip right through most any midsized game, but have never tried them. Has anyone used 200 or 220gr hard cast for deer in the past / how did they work? I wanted to try my 10mm carbine this year, but according to the MN DNR, a shoulder fired 10 is not allowed, yet a pistol, slug gun, or muzzle loader are unless your further north where high powered are permitted, silly laws, I tell you.
Thanks

Rvrrat14

I shoot a 180gr cast powder coat bullet that?s 1600fps from the MechTech.   
I also shoot a 180gr XTP at 1510fps.

Haven?t killed a deer but they both nail hogs!

Good luck to ya!

Kenk

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Thanks Rvrrat14, if they can take down a hog, deer should be a piece of cake 😀

Ramjet

Quote from: Kenk on October 31 2022 04:07:11 PM MDT
Thanks Ramjet, I have several different options I?m considering  for the MN opener next weekend, those being Underwoods  200gr XTP, 180gr Gold Dot, 180gr Fenix, and some UW 150gr Xtreme Hunter copper solids, and lastly, some UW 200 and 220gr hard cast, which I haven?t considered until now. Im sure the hard cast would zip right through most any midsized game, but have never tried them. Has anyone used 200 or 220gr hard cast for deer in the past / how did they work? I wanted to try my 10mm carbine this year, but according to the MN DNR, a shoulder fired 10 is not allowed, yet a pistol, slug gun, or muzzle loader are unless your further north where high powered are permitted, silly laws, I tell you.
Thanks

I shot several Northern Wisconsin Whitetail with the 200 WFN Cast. I have never recovered the bullets. Broadside shots behind the shoulder. The WFN disrupts soft tissue a splash so to speak and it?s devastating damage to internal organs. The key is a nice wide meplat then drive them. Of course bullet placement is the key.

I have hunted with moderate/max velocity  hard cast bullets in a variety of calibers for years and taken Deer, Elk, Bear with them and few varmits they perform fantastic.

Ramjet

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Quote from: The_Shadow on October 31 2022 03:15:29 PM MDT
That 7" bbl seeming to add to the velocity gains!
I have used some AA#7 in the past and still have some on the shelf.

It?s probably explainable but great gains with the 7? but going from the 7? to the 9? I have the gain is not that much. The 7? is not an issue with chest rig and does not make carrying or an issue. The 9? how ever is whole different animal pain the rear to carry in the model 40. I purchased it on sale for testing mostly. The Mech Tech carbine is really accurate easy to carry and loves this load combination with 1?groups from the bench at 50 yards. It has an Ultradot my Kriss Carbine really likes it as well.

I thought a WFN 170 grain would be a great combination but this is doing so well it?s what I will hunt with.

Kenk

Not  that it will change anything, but am drafting a letter to the MN DNR decision makers in hopes to change their minds. It?s crazy that you aren?t allowed to use a shoulder fired 10mm, yet it?s fine to take deer with a 10mm pistol. The only difference I can see is an increased velocity of 100 - 150 fps, yet if I understand correctly, you can legally take deer with an AR pistol that will travel much further, and is ultimately their main concern in southern and central MN.

Ramjet

Lol a government agency in MN making any reasonable or decent decision that?s funny 😄

Kenk

For sure, a good friend has been lobbying so to speak on getting night coyote and fox hunting legalized using night vision or thermal imaging equipment with AR?s for several years now. If I?m not mistaken, your finally allowed to do so, but only with a shotgun, and between certain dates. I guess I don?t see why it?s an issue, you can hunt coyotes year around in MN now with no license required, and take as many as you want, just some goofy laws

John A.

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Quote from: Kenk on November 01 2022 02:17:50 PM MDT
For sure, a good friend has been lobbying so to speak on getting night coyote and fox hunting legalized using night vision or thermal imaging equipment with AR?s for several years now. If I?m not mistaken, your finally allowed to do so, but only with a shotgun,

Yeah, KY is shotgun at night only.

I will mention, on private property, that rule is ignored by everyone.

Your property, your rules.





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Kenk

Think that?s the case in many places, I?ve actually gotten most of my scroungy old yotes in the daylight hours, mainly around sunrise and sunset, but plenty in between. I have a friend that snares then big time in January and February when their coats are the nicest, and then sells them to a local furrier, and are graded individually, the same with fox. Something I found fascinating was that a large chunk of the furs are sold to Chinese and Russian buyers. This guy will snare several hundred over the course of the winter. Sounds like a big job to me, but he?s relatively young and really enjoys it.


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