I know from other threads here that both a good JHP/Softpoint or hardcast can be effective for hunting purposes, but I am wondering how necessary hardcast or xtreme penetrator solid copper bullets are if you are carrying for animal defense where there are no brown bears. So let's say you are carrying your 10mm as backup when hunting/fishing and you need to stop a 250-350 pound boar charge. Assuming reasonable shot placement would you feel much better with an XTreme Penetrator or hardcast than with a good hunting hollow point or soft point?

Just to clarify by a hunting JHP/Softpoint I mean a 180-200 grain bullet known to expand more conservatively like the XTP or Trophy Bonded.

The motivation for my question is that right now I have limited ammunition to test and I know that XTPs are extremely reliable in my Glock 40. I have not tested XTreme Penetrators in my Glock but I believe they  would likely be more reliable than hardcast. I have tested a few boxes of 200gr hardcast and know they cycle in my gun but I would have to do some more testing for accuracy. I have an Alpha Wolfe barrel with traditional rifling and it is a good product but I want to use the factory Glock barrel because of its looser fit (and I don't need the competition accuracy).

Thanks!

BlueBird,

My 02 cents....  Save your ammo and load up your 180gr/200gr XTP or 180gr Trophy Bond and go hunting/fishing!!
Enjoy the great outdoors and rest easy that either choice will do an excellent job in the very unlikely case you had to stop a feral hog situation.  I've taken several hogs in the size range you reference with 10mm Glock in both of the JHP/soft point you specifically mention.  They worked very well. 

Not putting down hardcast or Lehigh products; used them on occasion too and have no complaints either.  Just saying that if supply is tight and your NOT looking for a unnecessary & costly cycling experiment; the 2 projectile choices you know work well in your pistol are more than capable of conclusively ending any encounter you might have in the woods of the lower 48....

My personal testing.  A 200 grain WFN cast of 11-14 BHN alloy will go through 70" of water and keep going.  I would feel very safe hunting boar with those as long as I didn't miss.

you can't go wrong with a cast bullet. hollow points will take any hog up to around 200 lbs. but for a bigger boar you need more penetration.
as far as needing a gun for hog "protection", hogs are not like bears who will attack if you are near their food or cubs. wild hogs are very skittish and afraid of humans. I have hunted wild hogs since the '60s. (we had wild hogs in South Fla. since DeSoto marched through in the 1500's.) I have probably killed hundreds of wild hogs with a variety of weapons. the only times I have been charged or attacked by a hog was when it was wounded and that was a rare.  unless you have wounded or somehow provoked a hog, it will not attack you. that said, if you do wound or otherwise piss one off, they can be a tough & nasty customer.

Thanks for all the feedback guys. What I will do is for now I will carry my 200gr XTPs and then when there are Underwood 200gr hardcast in stock I will buy some and verify they do not tumble.

Quote from: sqlbullet on October 29 2021 12:06:37 PM MDT
My personal testing.  A 200 grain WFN cast of 11-14 BHN alloy will go through 70" of water and keep going.  I would feel very safe hunting boar with those as long as I didn't miss.

+1

You?re going to need a lot more horsepower than 10mm to ?stop a 250-350# boar??that?s charging you. Unless you get a solid CNS hit you?re not going to stop him with 10mm.

That being said I would prefer hard cast.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Hard cast is the top choice.

If your a caster you can mix a perfect alloy(thru testing) and jet the absolute best of both worlds.

There are some pretty good jacketed bullets but my trust lies in something I have more control over... for me, Thats a cast bullet.

But these board are NOT INDESTRUCTIBLE TANKS!!  They are NOT AT ALL BULLET PROOF and the descriptions from some (not here) are best described as lack of accuracy. We ALL shouldnknow its far more important WHERE then with what. 

Little Indian girl shot a world record Grizzly with a single shot 22 RF likely before even LONG RIFLES where common. 

What Im saying is dont be overwhelmed.

CW

Quote from: Mike D on November 11 2021 06:53:36 AM MST
You?re going to need a lot more horsepower than 10mm to ?stop a 250-350# boar??that?s charging you. Unless you get a solid CNS hit you?re not going to stop him with 10mm.
That being said I would prefer hard cast.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

With all due respect, beg to differ.  I've personally taken quite a few feral hogs (several were boars) with my 10mm.  Four of them were in 300-400lbs range.  Most were taken with the 10mm JHP ammo & projectiles mentioned in earlier post.  From my experience, there is no question the 10mm has the horsepower necessary to get this job done.  Not too difficult finding videos of people on YouTube stopping charges with 10mm, 357 magnum, 45acp  & even 9mm.  Fortunately thus far, I've not had to do so and earnestly hope it never comes down to that.  If preferences count, I'd be holding an AR10 or shotgun loaded with buckshot when that day does come.  However, if that wasn't the case, and all I had was a handgun....  10mm would be my first choice. 

Oh I?ve killed plenty of hogs with my 10mm as well. But none of them were charging. Without a CNS hit a 10mm will not stop a charging boar.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-FRNWNQ24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7fHiibwj5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSq96T-UrJ0

Proof doesn't matter what caliber you use, not very effective if you can't put solid hit into it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv23Odul-V8

9mm - Charging hog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3WdDb44Fo

Razor Dobbs 10mm - Boars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk2ZHnBQEEA

Keith Warren:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX3g9sCoMzs

G20 with 220gr Hardcast

The Keith Warren hog hunting video is so awesome, Thanks

200gr Hardcast
Black Cherry 22 BHN
Hard Cast
Straight Shooter Cast Bullet

Not sure what the BHN hardness of the below Underwood?s 200gr hard cast is, but at 1,250 / 694 ft lbs, I?m sure it would suffice


https://underwoodammo.com/10mm-auto-200-grain-hard-cast-flat-nose/