Quote from: Rojo27 on August 22 2018 06:16:31 AM MDT

Quote from: Spudmeister on August 21 2018 09:30:14 PM MDT
Hope to take a hog with this come May.

We hope you do too!  May is a long time away, hope you get the opportunity before then.

In SD situations against beasts with great weight (power), speed, and or ability to reorient the food chain with you on the lower wrung....  Deep penetration is preferable above most everything else....
Bet your bullet choice would go close to 3" in proper ordenence gel.  Very doubtful you could expect exact same against a wild animal but it'd be very good medicine and work well (assuming you get the drop) in the interim while companions are sharpening sticks and looking for rocks to throw😏.  I prefer the 200gr WFN hardcast for that job but wouldn't hesitate to carry your prescription where the wild things live.

+2

Yeah I kind of agree, heavier bullet better. But that's still why I want my ,454 Casull loaded with 300 grainers.

Absolutely, prepare for the worst and hope for the best

Because most of my regular forty plus year trips to the deep backcountry of the West for mountaineering have taken me to some very remote places in Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, Montana and Idaho, over the years I've come to think more about personal safety than when I first began. Maybe it's  due to the fact that when young, a person  thinks they're  somewhat bullet proof. I did but as I've  gotten a 'little' older, perhaps I've  also gotten somewhat wiser.

Along the way, one time, I had to pull a 9mm out of my pack when we ran into two strange guys about a mile in from a Colorado trailhead in the Collegiates when these guys thought my girlfriend and I were two... peaceful... hippy types and could cause no defense. WRONG assumption on their part. We were returning from a day's  long climb and sat down for a quick drink and snack, tired when they approached.  I sensed them out from the git-go and when they 'pressed' the conversation, I calmly had to reveal the S&W 3913 and say to them... "I think it's  best, and you should agree, that you should move on". They complied! I reported them when we got to town.

Then there have been times in bear country that we saw mounds of recent bear scat dump and knew they were not too far off. At night or very early morning under headlamp on approach, one has to keep their wits... all the time.

I share this because we NEVER know when some strange thing could happen and being older, with all the craziness in the world, one needs to be 'prepared'.

I bought a Glock 20SF back in 2012 and been carrying it with DT 200gr H.C. with a spare mag of Underwood 165gr G.D. JHP. PLUS... always carry bear spray! Always!

There have been times that I almost bought a Ruger 4.2 inch or there abouts 454 Casull with some heavy Underwood loads and some lighter ammo as backup but weight has always been important while backpacking and climbing... so my choice has always remained... for a handgun... the Glock 10mm.

If I were on a horse or had a pack animal along, I'd  probably choose a 12ga pump with the best penetrating slugs possible... or a carbine .45-70 with a heavy load.  But I'm  usually on foot so the Glock 10mm makes common sense... to me... WITH bear spray.

This post went on long enough... just wanted to share some real world experience with the forum.

Whatever you carry... hope you never have to use it... and... be safe! Also, carry bear spray!

Thanks climb14er,
Wise thoughts to be sure. In MN when deer, turkey, or coyote hunting, small to mid size black bear are the biggest threat, and are rarely seen, so the G20 in a chest rig with some UW 180gr would foots the bill. If I were in big bear country, and was not far in, or climbing, I think a 454 on my hip, and a G20 on the chest would lessen my fear of attack, oh, and a can of bear spray : )

Ken

Here is another Glock 20 10mm & bear story....


https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/09/dean-weingarten/a-new-mexico-bear-attack-finally-stopped-by-a-glock-10mm-pistol/

Thanks Rojo!

Great article

Wow... tough guy who fought hard!  Large Cinnamon bear for the New Mexico- Colorado border.  I keep those Critical Duty 175's in my G20 in the house and city.  I think he'll  be transitioning to Hard Cast either in the Glock or large Magnum revolver.  He survived and that's what counts!

Absolutely, and yea, the hard cast for sure!

Black bear was 400lbs pissed off boar; phone booth fight (it began inside of 20'); hunter started the fight 30% short of his Glock's ammunition capacity;  decent but not optimum ammunition selection for the purpose it was being utilized; less than 20 seconds from the moment gun was touched until it was all over (during which man and bear locked in mortal combat fell down a mountain together, man had clear a ftf by racking slide and getting back into the fight); added element of hunter' family (wife & kids) being in immediate proximity..... 

Yes, hell of a story.  Man is obviously a pretty tough hombre, although he's still very fortunate to be alive.

Quote from: Rojo27 on September 14 2018 11:25:30 AM MDT, man had clear a ftf by racking slide and getting back into the fight).

Is it really a FTF if bear hair causes the spring to jam?  What's it called when you press the gun right up to the target?  I though that was not supposed to be done with semiautos.

Seems like I have read something about this. Arn't You supposed to put your free hand (palm) on the back of the slide (pushing into it) when making a shot like this? Unless I'm thinking about something totally different. I think ultimately a revolver would have functioned correctly in this particular situation
Thanks

Ken

Like most other things in life & death, firearms each have elements of give and take. 

Yes, it is possible sometimes for semi auto pistols (such as the Glock) can be pushed out of battery on contact shots.  Revolvers can have something (hand, finger, claw, mud, rock, etc, etc) get between the hammer & firing pen and in any case its still likely short 10 rounds to the Glock.  In the mortal combat, death match documented between those two combatants anything could have happened. 

I'm still very impressed that the man had the wherewithal while locked in physical death match with a large bear, simultaneously falling down a mountain, hang onto his pistol and be clear headed enough to clear the stoppage and get the firearm back into the fight. 

For an experienced bear hunting guild, I would have expected him to make better ammunition selection and avoided capacity limiting foolishness.  There was another important area the hunter in hindsight might have made a different decision on.  The story captures a moment very early in the confrontation where the hunter had an opening but passed on head shots for fear of hitting his dogs.  First several shots with the Hornady 175gr were to the bears body.  We talk here all the time about the only sure what to put down a 2 legged BG is CNS.... Less than 20 seconds beginning to end.  Obviously a very angry, amped up Ursus (renowned for toughness) going to be a challenge with any handgun in the time & proximity of this donnybrook.  I'm a dog lover but in this situation and the extraordinarily close nature of this confrontation, hunter would have been wise to have gone to CNS targets well before they were his last resort IMHO. 
Fortunately this guy gets to continue living and hopefully learns from some of his missteps.  That's one of the great things about this forum.  Far from keyboard tactical operators, operating......Stories like these afford us the opportunity to digest and learn from other's close calls and hopefully be all the more prepared if and when our day in the barrel comes.     

One thing I took note of....the Hornady Flexlock bullet, which Hornady designed specifically for law enforcement barrier penetration, did in fact penetrate the bear's skull.