I carry my 1076 in the summer loaded with original Black Talons. Carry my 1026 in the winter loaded with Cor Bon DPX loads. Have all the trust with both rounds.

CRJ, here is a thread on the pull down Shadow did on the Black Talon, FYI.

http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/winchester-black-talon-200gr-stx/

sqlbullet,
Good info there! 

I wonder if we could lobby Winchester to make some 180gr @ 1,200ish fps loads using the bonded bullet from the Ranger T or PDX line?  They seem pretty content to rest on their Silvertip laurels.

A while back I had checked with Mas Ayoob regarding the verdict in the Harold Fish case (Arizona). The contention was that Fish had been convicted of murder due to the fact that he was carrying a 10mm Kimber.

Mas, who was extremely familiar with the case, explained that the 10mm did have a small influence on the jury the way it was presented in trial. He further stated, however, that Fish had received a lousy defense form his attorneys, and this could have and should have been avoided.

And some might be unaware that Fish shot and killed an unarmed man, which can be a more difficult case to defend.

Fish did some time in jail, and his verdict was later overturned, setting him free.

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2009/07/21/fish-ordeal-%E2%80%93-over/

Rick R makes some important points.

For example in Kentucky, a person will face far different scrutiny in Louisville (Jefferson County) or Lexington (Fayette County) other things being equal, than they will in the other 118 counties in the state. Whereas handloaded, hollow points may be an issue in those two counties, it would probably even raise an eyebrow in the rural areas.

Another point, this one regarding handloaded ammo. The rationale for not carrying it is based upon the idea that ammo manufacturers retain samples by lot number that may be obtained by a competent defense team to duplicate ballistics and verify the defendant's claims or refute prosecutor's allegations.

Quote from: Rick R on September 04 2017 08:53:18 AM MDT
sqlbullet,
Good info there! 

I wonder if we could lobby Winchester to make some 180gr @ 1,200ish fps loads using the bonded bullet from the Ranger T or PDX line?  They seem pretty content to rest on their Silvertip laurels.

Midway had some 40S&W with Ranger T bullets for a low price (~$10) a long time ago. I was thinking about buying some and pulling the bullets to use in 10mm. It would have cost just as much as buying the bullets by themselves (if you could buy Ranger bullets).

No longer cheap ---> https://www.midwayusa.com/product/419246/winchester-ammunition-40-s-and-w-180-grain-bonded-hollow-point


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What happens if I carry my G29 loaded with Uw 9x25 Dillons? 

If you shoot someone everything except their shoe soles will evaporate.  It will take seven years for them to be declared to be "dead" and you have time to move elsewhere .  😆

If worried on power load with federal hydrashock 10 mm has like 420 lb energy I bought a box one time and was mad when I read balistic on them. I wanted power not a 40 smith

Well, one of the best things about the 10mm cartridge is its flexibility from Mild to Wild with its ballistic performance.  There are loadings from 40S&W (FBI protocol) and upwards to the full potential that 10mm auto has to offer like Underwood, Double Tap, Buffalo Bore.

Quote from: Soldier of The Law on August 29 2017 07:49:25 PM MDT
I respectfully disagree with the above comments. Don't believe everything you read from AYOOB.

If you are legal to carry and it's a good shoot, it's good. End of story.

I'd suggest that someone carry what they can make fast and accurate hits with. A hit with a 380 will be more effective than a miss with a 10mm.

Totally agree with above ^^^^.  If I'm ever involved in a deadly force encounter my weapon is a tool. I want the best tool for the task at hand. I don't really care what a lawyer tries to do. A prosecutor (criminal) is gonna a do what they do and a lawyer (civil) is gonna do what they do and attempt to make you look bad no matter what you do.


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IMMHO you are in deep doo doo if you're thinking you can claim self defense shooting someone at 25, 15 and even 7 yards.  I would practice drawing and shooting a target at four to five feet, and even right at arms length in under 2 seconds. 

This may not represent the scenario but the range, and conditions of the incident would more accurately reflect what you would most likely experience in a self defensive situation. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiqwF_Y9S5Q

Depends.  Someone with an edged weapon that is rushing me is definitely going to be considered a reasonable threat I can engage when they pass buy 21' (7 yards).  OTOH, someone standing still at 15' (5 yards) with a knife, but not drawing closer and allowing me to retreat is not.

In general, I agree that these distances indicate you better be pretty clear in your ability to articulate an immediate threat from which retreat was not reasonable or possible.  The great room in my home is 40' wide and 25' deep, so if I am standing in the far corner I am almost 50' (18 yards) when an intruder clears the dining room and becomes visible.  Inside my home they are a threat I can engage.  In an open parking lot with cars between us, not so much.

Quote from: Olgo on August 28 2017 07:55:11 PM MDT
Really? Even if I reduced the power?

Ok, I put the 10mm barrel back in and loaded it with Hornady 10mm 175 FlexLock instead of the Uw 10mm 200 XTP.

That's what I carry. It's almost identical in speed from a G29 as the CD is from the G22. The Critical Duty performs marvelous from a G22. 14.5" of penetration in jello through heavy clothing and it also does great through car doors and windows.

If we aren't carry full steam Underwood, we are just getting full size 40 speed from a short barrel.
Like now I've put the 4.6" barrel away too. I don't carry it that way because it's not stock. So it's a. Novelty like my 9x25 barrel. I'll probably sell them both. I polished my stock barrel, but the only modification I have now is a LoneWolf 3.5 connector. Which is odd for me, I just haven't swapped it back.

I have yet to carry a full size 10MM pistol for EDC CCW, but I have carried the Glock 29 with 10MM ammo in it.  I live in a rural area where cougars have been sighted, so I feel perfectly justified in carrying a 10MM pistol for self defense.