Anyone ever noticed this on their site? Even Mas Ayoob doesn't recommend mixing ammo in your magazines.

Quote from: Buffalo BoreLet's discuss proper tactics of ammo choices and gun fights for a moment. If I were to carry a 10MM pistol for social purposes, (killing humans) the round in my chamber and the first one or two up in my magazine would feature expanding bullets as when a confrontation normally starts, your targets will be in the open and generally frontally facing you and with these types of shots, expanding bullets are most lethal, when compared to non-expanding bullets. However, if the human threat is not quelled in the first couple of shots, you'll likely be shooting at a target that has taken some sort of cover, such as (simple examples) a car door, windshield, stick frame wall, sofa, etc.) If you have to shoot through such cover, you'll want a good non-expanding flat nosed bullet that will penetrate these items much more reliably than an expanding bullet. So, if the first two or three shots fired do not stop the threat, I prefer to have the remainder of my magazine/cylinder filled with non-expanding flat nosed bullets. This is a tactic that African hunters have been using on dangerous game for many decades........the first round to be fired is a "soft" (expanding bullet) and all follow-up shots are "solids" (non-expanding bullets) for game that, if it still needs killing, now has to be shot at going away or other tough angles where very deep penetration is needed.

Don't know the training history of the person who wrote that. It usually pops up to those new to carrying.

We have a tool, but don't know what problem will need to be solved.

The flaw lies in the scenarios as well as what a trained person will actually be doing. Things just may not play out to fit the way the magazines are loaded. For the scenario quoted, the BG could just as easily start out behind cover and move out; or there could be two BGs, one behind cover, the other in the open.

Interestingly, all his/her examples of "cover" are actually concealment. Only a few parts of cars provide cover. Car doors and car windows will not protect you from 9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP and especially not from 10mm rounds. If the BG is using refrigerators, TVs, most walls ... hes/shes behind concealment.

Even if the BG is behind real cover, you won't be standing there trading shots. Training is key to understand the arrangement of ammo type is far out weighted by other things.
   
Get training. One may not know what they do not know.

I decided to spend time and money on training. Was able to work my way up to "advanced classes".  Along the way experienced close quarter shooting, the 'Tueller Drill', crawled in the dirt with a partner, shooting around and through barriers, shot into and out of automobiles.

I load the best ammo that makes sense to me and refresh myself on the issues that will keep me and those around me safe.

I have shot Pistols my whole life. But in my mid 20's I made a friend who owned a gun shop, and happened to be an ex cop, ex chief too. So I knew how to "fire"  a pistol, but he taught me how to "shoot". I have a long way to go through, I want to take some of those classes, and when I'm proficient with my Glock 29.

Tim Sundles is pushing his ammo. If it works for someone then fine, but I do agree that Mas does not recommend alternating rounds due to court purposes. I believe the question was recently asked of him on Glocktalk.

I would and do consider alternating types of loads in a shotgun though.

Carry what you shoot well.  Lots of these tactical scenarios where we are concerned about ammo penetration are applications that don't apply to a civilian CCW involved shooting.

For instance, if a BG is behind cover and you aren't, MOVE.  Move to cover, or at least concealment.  In a gunfight, standing and shooting from non-cover against an opponent who has cover is a losing proposition.  The good news is that if the BG is behind good cover, his shooting position almost certainly is horrible, so he likely won't hit a moving target.

All this provides you the opportunity to retreat from the threat.  This is always a superior option.

Buy cheaper ammo, shoot more.  This is by far the best thing you can do to prepare for the situation we all hope never occurs.

So, great post!

 A little practicing in my backyard, and I know what will be in my Delta if I ever carry it for SD.
On a quick draw and fire on 6 clays at 25ft I hit 5 of 6 with the UW 155's. I hit the first, missed 3 and hit the last 2 at a noticeably slower pace with the UW 180's. The extra penetration is worthless if I miss.
   One of the reasons I want to buy a Glock is to get some formal training, the most "tactical" pistol I own is a M9.

Will you be getting a G20, G29, or G40?

Quote from: Shotgun on December 14 2016 08:23:43 PM MST
A little practicing in my backyard, and I know what will be in my Delta if I ever carry it for SD.
On a quick draw and fire on 6 clays at 25ft I hit 5 of 6 with the UW 155's. I hit the first, missed 3 and hit the last 2 at a noticeably slower pace with the UW 180's. The extra penetration is worthless if I miss.
   One of the reasons I want to buy a Glock is to get some formal training, the most "tactical" pistol I own is a M9.

Get the training with your Delta Elite.  Any instructor that turns you away because you don't have a Glock isn't one I would want instructing you anyway.  An instructors goal should be to help you be the best with whatever tool you have, not sell you the tool they like.

And, training with a that gun will tell you alot about you, it, and the capabilities the two of you have together.

Quote from: Overkill338 on December 15 2016 06:45:32 AM MST
Will you be getting a G20, G29, or G40?

Quote from: Shotgun on December 14 2016 08:23:43 PM MST
A little practicing in my backyard, and I know what will be in my Delta if I ever carry it for SD.
On a quick draw and fire on 6 clays at 25ft I hit 5 of 6 with the UW 155's. I hit the first, missed 3 and hit the last 2 at a noticeably slower pace with the UW 180's. The extra penetration is worthless if I miss.
   One of the reasons I want to buy a Glock is to get some formal training, the most "tactical" pistol I own is a M9.

Still have not put a 29 or an SF in my hands yet Xmas time has the inventories running a bit low. I am expecting the first of the year for a decision to be made.

Quote from: sqlbullet on December 15 2016 07:54:50 AM MST
Get the training with your Delta Elite.  Any instructor that turns you away because you don't have a Glock isn't one I would want instructing you anyway.  An instructors goal should be to help you be the best with whatever tool you have, not sell you the tool they like.

And, training with a that gun will tell you alot about you, it, and the capabilities the two of you have together.

I really like this line of thinking. I was watching some "drills" and it looks like a 1911 would require alot more mag changes- but I need to get proficient with that as well.

Quote from: Shotgun on December 15 2016 08:51:01 AM MST

Quote from: sqlbullet on December 15 2016 07:54:50 AM MST
Get the training with your Delta Elite.  Any instructor that turns you away because you don't have a Glock isn't one I would want instructing you anyway.  An instructors goal should be to help you be the best with whatever tool you have, not sell you the tool they like.

And, training with a that gun will tell you alot about you, it, and the capabilities the two of you have together.

I really like this line of thinking. I was watching some "drills" and it looks like a 1911 would require alot more mag changes- but I need to get proficient with that as well.

Really Depends. . . If you get the 29 you have 10+1, reloads may be similar. An X-grip and a G20 mag and you have 15+1. I'm getting an x-grip for open carry.

No matter your capacity you need an extra mag and proficiency with "tap-rack-bang" and "reload,rack,bang" drills.

I always carry an extra mag on my left side in a voodoo tactical pouch.