Quote from: Dave84 on September 01 2016 12:20:04 PM MDT
SQL,we have the same two witness pistols. I have nothing bad to say about them. Just get a heavier recoil spring.

I agree completely.  The above was tongue in cheek.  Awesome guns!

I chuckled when I visited their facebook page today.

They finally allowed someone to respond that the bren ten will not be in production for the foreseeable future and to go with the Sig if you are looking for a 10mm. 

We all knew it, it just finally came out of the company itself.

It was likely me as I post there bugging them about the Bren Tens often!

It makes you wonder though what really went wrong. Was a technical issue that they could not solve, or could not solve cheaply, or was it more of a management issue. Could it be they couldn't sell them at the price they had hoped too? It just seems like they  had steam on the project and then nothing.

Wrong people or company on the project I guess. I mean it's not like the cz75 came out two weeks ago. it is a proven platform. Why even mention it if they had no intent on releasing it.

Oh Man !! I sure hope that isn't the case with the new .44 Auto Mag as I have my name it the hat for one.

Quote from: PCFlorida on September 13 2016 09:04:42 AM MDT
It makes you wonder though what really went wrong. Was a technical issue that they could not solve, or could not solve cheaply, or was it more of a management issue. Could it be they couldn't sell them at the price they had hoped too? It just seems like they  had steam on the project and then nothing.

The original project executive sponsor left the company.

Quote from: sqlbullet on September 13 2016 12:52:22 PM MDT

Quote from: PCFlorida on September 13 2016 09:04:42 AM MDT
It makes you wonder though what really went wrong. Was a technical issue that they could not solve, or could not solve cheaply, or was it more of a management issue. Could it be they couldn't sell them at the price they had hoped too? It just seems like they  had steam on the project and then nothing.

The original project executive sponsor left the company.

And that was probably the problem. No one else had the vision or drive to make it happen.

I believe it was Eric Kincel's project.  He left to go to Bravo Company USA.  And in reality when he left, the project died.  To bad he couldn't have taken it with him.  It had nice traction up to that point.

Well that sucks! At least it's nice to have an idea about what went wrong since the company wouldn't tell the patiently waiting buyers anything.

At even an inflated price point I think they would have found eager buyers. As long as the platform worked as intended I would have no trouble paying what a nice 1911 sells at. Give me a Bren at or around 2K that works, I am buying.

Vitor teased us like a high school girlfriend and left us with blue balls. 

Quote from: Ethang on September 23 2016 04:21:33 PM MDT
At even an inflated price point I think they would have found eager buyers. As long as the platform worked as intended I would have no trouble paying what a nice 1911 sells at. Give me a Bren at or around 2K that works, I am buying.

Vitor teased us like a high school girlfriend and left us with blue balls. 

Except unlike that high school girlfriend, Vltor isn't gonna allow us relief from a third party. They have been asked about selling the project and applicable information and refused to. They wanna keep it, they just don't want to put any effort into it. That philosophy is why I haven't purchased a Vltor product and never will.

There are few companies on my never patronize list, and vltor is one of them.

Quote from: inv136 on August 24 2016 09:57:23 PM MDT
For two years I had been following the VLTOR Fortis project to reproduce a new Bren Ten. They finally got the rights to name it the Bren Ten. They even named a distributor and retailer. The all of a sudden nothing. I did a search and found a letter on their website indicating that they suspended the project because of immediate economic downturn and the need to focus on their current production items. But, there was room left for the possibility of starting up production in 2016.

I sent an e-mail inquiry to VLTOR regarding this new Bren Ten pistol and they responded in the same day. The response only indicated that they don't have any updates and that their management team was still working on the project. I have been wanting to get a Bren Ten 10mm pistol since I saw the Dornaus & Dixon ad in Shotgun News back in the 1980's. My interest was piqued again when I read about the Peregrine Falcon and the Sphinx 3000 10mm which looked like a gun I could live with instead of the Bren Ten, but, that was short lived and I missed out on the Sphinx. In the early 1990's I was able to actually handle and pulled the trigger on a Bren Ten at a gun show in Miami. The trigger was a really smooth, light double action trigger. And, the grip and ergonomics felt like holding a Browning High Power, except a little bigger. Unfortunately the price was too much.

Then I read about the VLTOR Fortis project to resurrect the Bren Ten under the Fortis name with improved CNC machining. I thought I was finally going to get a new production gun with a bunch of magazines. Now I don't know. This is one gun that I really want. But, who knows.    

I am into the 10mm and picked up an EEA (Tanfoglio) Witness and love it. Inexpensive and accurate.

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I'll settle for my NHC Recon Enforcer and DW Silverback in 10mm. They're much better guns than a Tanfoglio Guardone. I handled an original D&D Bren Ten at a gun show back in the early 90's and that pistol had great ergonomics and the DA trigger was very smooth and tight. I'm not interested in an original Bren Ten (because of the lack of magazines), but, that new VLTOR Bren Ten would have been a must have pistol. My 1911 10mm pistols will just have to suffice.   

@%#$&$%#@*%$#@!!!! THAT TEARS IT! MORE %@$#^$%#$%*& "Vaporware"!

Another dream shattered.