I tested some 7.62x25 Tokarev loads over the weekend

Started by wadcutter, November 17 2015 10:56:33 AM MST

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DM1906

9x25D dies are expensive, but you don't need them, necessarily. I've loaded thousands of 9x25, 100% from brass I sized from 10mm Auto. If you already load 10mm, you have 1/2 of what you need to load 9x25. Full length size the brass, as you would with 10mm. Then, use a .357 Sig die to either form or resize 9x25 brass, similar to what you'd do for any bottleneck rifle case (progressive, with lube). Setting the shoulder depth is critical, but not complicated if you are an accomplished handloader. I use a lapped 7/8" washer sized exactly at the shoulder depth difference between .357 Sig and 9x25D, so it's only a matter of using the washer for 9x25 when switching from .357S. The process is the same as with .357S, being careful to NOT crimp while seating (the shoulder will collapse). Bullets with a cannelure work best, if you can find them. 115 gr. 9mm XTP's have a cannelure. I'm in the process of trying a bushing with the .357S Lee FCD for 9x25 crimping, which should vastly improve the end product.
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Pablo

I bit the bullet and bought the 9x25 dies. And I have 7.62x25 and 357Sig dies. I'm nuts!

wadcutter

I have a Glock29, I wonder if LW would sell me a no ported 4.6" barrell?. I don't see one listed on there site. They make a ported 4.6" barrel and a  non ported 3.78" barrel and I'd buy those in a second if I was planning on entering an extreme muzzle blast contest but I'm not. I like to think of  the 9x25 Dillon as a semi auto 357 Magnum and I know that cartridge really comes alive with barrels of 4" or longer. I think a 357 Sig  with a 3.78" barrel won give up much to a 9x25 Dillon with a 3.78" barrel .

DM1906

Quote from: wadcutter on April 02 2016 07:44:21 PM MDT
I have a Glock29, I wonder if LW would sell me a no ported 4.6" barrell?. I don't see one listed on there site. They make a ported 4.6" barrel and a  non ported 3.78" barrel and I'd buy those in a second if I was planning on entering an extreme muzzle blast contest but I'm not. I like to think of  the 9x25 Dillon as a semi auto 357 Magnum and I know that cartridge really comes alive with barrels of 4" or longer. I think a 357 Sig  with a 3.78" barrel won give up much to a 9x25 Dillon with a 3.78" barrel .

Contact them. I've had several custom orders with them and they were very accommodating. Omitting ports shouldn't be a problem.
Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. -- The Duke

Pablo

Quote from: wadcutter on April 02 2016 07:44:21 PM MDT
I have a Glock29, I wonder if LW would sell me a no ported 4.6" barrell?. I don't see one listed on there site. They make a ported 4.6" barrel and a  non ported 3.78" barrel and I'd buy those in a second if I was planning on entering an extreme muzzle blast contest but I'm not. I like to think of  the 9x25 Dillon as a semi auto 357 Magnum and I know that cartridge really comes alive with barrels of 4" or longer. I think a 357 Sig  with a 3.78" barrel won give up much to a 9x25 Dillon with a 3.78" barrel .

:confused: This is not ported, or am I missing it?

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=954&TERM=9x25

As for the 9x25 dies, I bought them last year. Even though I didn't start reloading right away, I figure I better get set up before Dillon quits making them. There is a guy on THR, Fred, who sent me some great info. Also there is another thread on THR on fully converting 10mm brass to 9x25.


DM1906

Quote from: Pablo on April 03 2016 09:21:40 AM MDT
Quote from: wadcutter on April 02 2016 07:44:21 PM MDT
I have a Glock29, I wonder if LW would sell me a no ported 4.6" barrell?. I don't see one listed on there site. They make a ported 4.6" barrel and a  non ported 3.78" barrel and I'd buy those in a second if I was planning on entering an extreme muzzle blast contest but I'm not. I like to think of  the 9x25 Dillon as a semi auto 357 Magnum and I know that cartridge really comes alive with barrels of 4" or longer. I think a 357 Sig  with a 3.78" barrel won give up much to a 9x25 Dillon with a 3.78" barrel .

:confused: This is not ported, or am I missing it?

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=954&TERM=9x25

As for the 9x25 dies, I bought them last year. Even though I didn't start reloading right away, I figure I better get set up before Dillon quits making them. There is a guy on THR, Fred, who sent me some great info. Also there is another thread on THR on fully converting 10mm brass to 9x25.

G20 and G29 barrels aren't interchangeable.
Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. -- The Duke

Pablo

Quote from: DM1906 on April 03 2016 09:26:08 AM MDT

G20 and G29 barrels aren't interchangeable.

OOOH! Sorry. I don't have a G29 obviously. I do think I remember reading that somewhere in the past. Thanks.

But I like your idea!

Pablo

That said. Pocket carrier G29 with a stock length 9x25 barrel, full load Longshot powder. Crikey! Flamethrower!!

DM1906

Quote from: Pablo on April 03 2016 10:21:02 AM MDT
That said. Pocket carrier G29 with a stock length 9x25 barrel, full load Longshot powder. Crikey! Flamethrower!!

16 gr. BD. Now THAT'S a flamethrower, even with a 6" barrel. Makes Longshot look tame.
Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. -- The Duke

The_Shadow

#39
That is a weird looking projectile, but very interesting to say the least.

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The_Shadow

Quote from: Pablo on April 03 2016 09:21:40 AM MDT
Quote from: wadcutter on April 02 2016 07:44:21 PM MDT
I have a Glock29, I wonder if LW would sell me a no ported 4.6" barrell?. I don't see one listed on there site. They make a ported 4.6" barrel and a  non ported 3.78" barrel and I'd buy those in a second if I was planning on entering an extreme muzzle blast contest but I'm not. I like to think of  the 9x25 Dillon as a semi auto 357 Magnum and I know that cartridge really comes alive with barrels of 4" or longer. I think a 357 Sig  with a 3.78" barrel won give up much to a 9x25 Dillon with a 3.78" barrel .

:confused: This is not ported, or am I missing it?

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=954&TERM=9x25

As for the 9x25 dies, I bought them last year. Even though I didn't start reloading right away, I figure I better get set up before Dillon quits making them. There is a guy on THR, Fred, who sent me some great info. Also there is another thread on THR on fully converting 10mm brass to 9x25.

Was that Fred Ross?  He also shared a packet of some very cool 9x25 Dillon info with me as well.  He has been on several forums to include GT.  Very nice fellow!

I have the G-29 factory length barrel and it seems 800X was the one to bring the best velocity from the short barrels
Longshot and Blue Dot worked better with the longer barrels.  I have some loads to be tested using BE-86, CFE and Auto Comp to see how the perform.
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Pablo


wadcutter

I still haven't gotten around to shooting these over a chronagraph. So many terrible thing shave happened since 2016. I've lost so much of my family since then.  I haven't shot a gun in almost 5 years

blaster

wow! old thread but I'm glad you revived it.
I too went through a 7.62x25 phase. a very intriguing cartridge indeed. when they were around $100. , I bought a bunch of CZ 52 & Romanian Torkevs with my C&R FFL.  my dream was (and still is) to have something like a CZ 75 and a small light carbine (Marlin Camp 9) chambered in it.
I'd have to dig through my data for the exact loads but with the 85 gr. JHP, I was getting around 1800 fps with AA#9 out of my CZ 52 pistols. I lost interest it the little hot shot only because the old surplus pistols were such crappy shooters and I couldn't shoot them accurate enough to hunt with. I did once shoot (and hit) a water moccasin with one once. it was spectacular! the snake was coiled on a cypress stump. I aimed for the head but hit him in the coils. it blew the snake into 4 pieces and a pink mist!
even the Mil. surplus ammo will almost penentrate soft armor. I read where when the Russians were developing an armor piercing pistol round, they almost used a modified 7.62x25  but instead went with a new cartridge.